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Miscellaneous => The Water Cooler -- General Discussions => Topic started by: tracker on November 09, 2006, 04:08:28 PM

Title: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 09, 2006, 04:08:28 PM: Are we all shocked, angry, or both at the elections? This
is the quietest I have seen this forum in awhile.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Richard S on November 09, 2006, 05:08:31 PM: Stunned!
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 09, 2006, 05:25:05 PM: William Safire published a good Op-ed piece in the NY Times
today titled, "After the Thumpin'". He closed it by saying,"
So cheer up fellow right-wingers, especially those of you who
have grown too accustomed to winning every election night.
Sometimes we have to suffer a loud, corrective slap before
readying the political counterpunch".
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Richard S on November 09, 2006, 05:51:39 PM: That's a comforting thought. Still and all, the next two years are going to be difficult. Like Kinky Friedman, I've been thinking about retiring "in a petulant snit on a goat farm."
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 09, 2006, 06:24:19 PM: That is what Kinky said he would do if Rick Perry won--
which he did. He said he would move to France if Chris
Bell won, and if the old grandma won, he would shoot
himself. Luckily, he already has the goat farm.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on November 09, 2006, 06:24:23 PM: I believe the message was , "You are not doing the will of the people".

The non- action on border security, runaway spending, and no end in sight for the War. Of course, the Mark Foley thing was a BOMB, with the timing..

The GOP needed a wakeup call, Politicians do learn, notice how GUNS were not mentioned, they will be NOW !
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 09, 2006, 06:53:07 PM: The democrats have taken on the NRA before, much to their
regret, then you began seeing democratic candidates in
photos with shotguns, hunting jackets, etc. I'm not nervous
on the gun issue yet but it is always a favorite liberal target.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: theirishguard on November 09, 2006, 07:25:47 PM: We will all pay for this. tom
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 09, 2006, 07:45:25 PM: Tom,
Isn't that what the democrats are all about? Making us pay?
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Brenden on November 09, 2006, 09:54:37 PM: The Conservative base was POd..
I was one of those..
I pulled a straight R ticket though!! :)
Anyone that would think a SF lib(Pelosi) and Shumer Et al, would be good for us is frickin nuts!!
Did you see the gloating on that podium? The war on terror is screwed(What do we do Europe?) The UN is back "IN"
The small arms accord that Bolton oppossed will be passed,RE-screw the 2nd amendment.. :o

Let alone the taxes that are coming our way..And do not forget-Impeachment of GWB because of "His" war..

Rummy was the smart one-he got out before all of the Witch trials..

You guys that were POd at the Repubs for whatever reason-hold on to your guns..They WILL come for them..

Veto power or not.. ;)

Brenden
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on November 10, 2006, 12:01:40 AM: Even though gun control is a major plank in the Demagogic party platform, they had to rely on a lot of true pro-gun candidates (not just the Clinton and Kerry types who pose with shotgusn at election time to pretend to be pro-gun). I don't think gun control is moving anywhere any time soon. Even if it does, we still have enough to filibuster it in the Senate. Unfortunately we can't count on a Bush veto.

I know fellow conservatives who have stayed home or voted third party because they are sick of having to choose between disappointing Republicans and dangerous Democrats. Unfortunately the Republican party has, for many years, taken the attitude that conservative Christians could be ignored because they had nowhere else to go. As they found out, they ignore their core at their peril. The Demagogic party beat us in voter turnout. Even McCain seems to have figured it out. The GOP really needed this kick in the tail, and I am happy it didn't happen in a presidential election year.

It will also be good that, in 2008, the Demagogic party will have had 2 years to do something about Iraq. Regardless of whether you believe we belong there or not (I believe we do but there are good arguments on both sides), it cost the GOP. When 2008 comes and it is time to elect a new president, that monkey won't just be on the Republican's collective backs.

The down side of the election is that the terrorists will view it as a sign that they are successfully wearing us down, and will step up their attacks.

I did vote straight Republican, and I don't like the outcome, but there is a silver lining in this cloud.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: theirishguard on November 10, 2006, 09:51:23 AM: Tom, yes, the demos will want US to pay more lots more :'(

Bill, that cloud is so thick that I can't see the silver lining.
Tom
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: sslater on November 10, 2006, 04:17:36 PM: Well, it could have been worse. This could have been the 2008 election and we'd be stuck with Hillary or worse for four years.
Bush won in 2004 and Republicans held both houses of congress. So things can turn around in only two years.
Now the Demon-crats hold both houses of congress and they have two years to screw things up so bad that we vote them out in 2008!
The important thing is for the Republican party to select a really good candidate for president. If they run some old guy because its "his turn", then we are in real trouble.
And the Rebublican senators & reps must return to party principles.......

There, I feel better. Anyway that's the best face I can put on the whole mess.

Steve
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on November 11, 2006, 01:06:40 AM: Keep in mind that there are a large number of Republicans In Name Only who are quite happy to push the liberal agenda. PA just elected a pro-life, pro-gun Demagogic party senator. It is too bad that it was Santorum rather than Specter who was up for reelection this time, because PA's senator situation would have improved with Santorum and Casey rather than the Casey-Specter combination we have now. Strangely for this right-wing conservative, the Damagogic party senator actually has views closer to my own than our Republican senator.

We have a Republican president who can't be counted on not to veto additional gun control. Can we really count on the Republican party to protect our rights in its current state? Are our rights safe in the long term if we keep sending the message to the Republicans that we will just keep voting for them no matter how bad they get just because the Demagogic party is worse?

At some point, the message needs to be sent loud and clear that being the lesser of two evils is not good enough, and if they want our support, they need to genuinely push our agenda and clean up the corruption. Now was as good a time as any to send that message.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: theirishguard on November 11, 2006, 10:00:29 AM: Bill, thanks now I feel better ............... you are right of course but I'm still mad as hell about our stupid follow americans who just don't get it.
Tom
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: riffraff on November 11, 2006, 01:08:16 PM: BillinPittsburgh,

You don't really believe that your newly elected Democrat Senator is going to buck the rest of the Democrat Party when the Democrats slip a "poision pill" anti gun measure into some hugh catch all bill, do you?

As far as cleaning up the corruption. If anyone thinks that the Democrat party is not the lyingest, backstabbing most bereft of any moral compas party in the country they are mistaken. Democrats will spit in your face and then tell you it's raining. NOW, I am sure there are some decent Democrats but they can not buck the current extreme left wing leadership that is running the party right now.

I do hope this loss will shift the Republicans back to the more conservative traditions that I myself believe in anyway.

Mike
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on November 11, 2006, 03:40:48 PM: Quote
BillinPittsburgh,

You don't really believe that your newly elected Democrat Senator is going to buck the rest of the Democrat Party when the Democrats slip a "poision pill" anti gun measure into some hugh catch all bill, do you?

As far as cleaning up the corruption. If anyone thinks that the Democrat party is not the lyingest, backstabbing most bereft of any moral compas party in the country they are mistaken. Democrats will spit in your face and then tell you it's raining. NOW, I am sure there are some decent Democrats but they can not buck the current extreme left wing leadership that is running the party right now.

I do hope this loss will shift the Republicans back to the more conservative traditions that I myself believe in anyway.

Mike

Mike,

Unfortunately you are completely right about the Democrats. While there are a small minority of individual good ones, the vast majority of the party can't be trusted.

Hopefully this short-term problem will result in a better long-term situation by the Republicans abandoning the RINO's and running some true conservatives in 2008.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: riffraff on November 11, 2006, 04:20:11 PM: Hello again all,

Fortunately, from what I can tell it seems that most of the Republican losers were of the "moderate" persuasion(RINO).

Thankfully, it also seems that a good percentage of the Democrat winners are on the "conservative" side of the Democrat party. I hope these new "common sense" Democrats have enough guts to stand up to the likes of Nancy Pelosie/Hillary Clinton/Ted Kenedy/ and all the rest of the Socialists/Marxists that are running the Democrat party.

Mike
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on November 11, 2006, 08:36:10 PM: Not long ago in PA, there was a major push for more gun control led by Democratic Gov. "Fast Eddie" Rendell and Democrats from Phila., and backed by the National Coalition to Stop Gun Violence and the major Phila. media outlets. The Republicans had only a narrow majority in both houses, but all bills were defeated very soundly, by margins that indicate that a large number of Democrats voted with the Republicans in defeating them.

When Slick Willie was president and the Democrats had both houses of Congress, they almost didn't succeed in getting the Brady Bill and the so-called "assault weapon" ban passed. Ten years later, with the Republicans in charge of both houses of Congress and in the White House, we weren't sure if the renewal would be defeated. With all of the support that gun owners have given the Republicans, it should have been an easy, guaranteed win for us. I am disappointed that there was even the slightest likelihood of renewal.

Maybe another silver lining is that gun owners will start getting more vigilant, and like at the height of Slick Willie's administration, join the NRA and other pro-gun groups in record numbers.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 11, 2006, 08:48:13 PM: Not to find fault with women but maybe male apathy--I know
some of my now distant friends said they just weren't going
to vote---I read that 51% of the voters nationwide were
female and that 55% of them voted democrat.

As my wife, a very independent thinker, observed: "The
Democrats did not win the election, the Republicans lost
it". It is now time to circle the wagons and plan for the
attack in '08. I view this as a stock market correction but
we have to stay invested to win the next battle and the
war.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on November 11, 2006, 10:56:41 PM: Three really good articles on the subject:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52884

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52900

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52903
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 11, 2006, 11:02:43 PM: Good stuff--especially the last one; thanks, Bill
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Aglifter on November 14, 2006, 09:30:55 PM: If Bush signs a gun control bill, makes you wonder how he expects to be able to come back to West Texas.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: tracker on November 14, 2006, 11:49:27 PM: He won't; Crawford is in central Texas.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: theirishguard on November 15, 2006, 09:21:12 AM: If he signs a gun control bill, he is not welcome in central or west Texas. Tom
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Richard S on November 15, 2006, 04:32:26 PM: For those who may not have seen this yet:

NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 13, No. 45 11/09/06
ELECTION 2006 RE-CAP

[size=10]On November 7, 2006, the American electorate took out its frustration and anger on the Republican Party and turned over control of Congress, not to mention governors' mansions and majorities in several state legislatures, to the Democrats. Importantly, however, on a day that saw voters expressing dissatisfaction over conduct of the war, over political corruption and over competency to govern, Americans cast their votes for record numbers of pro-gun candidates, both Democrat and Republican.

Many of the newly elected office holders pledged their support of the Second Amendment while on the campaign trail. They got elected when voters took them at their word. Those same voters, which certainly include first and foremost NRA members, will be closely watching them to make sure they walk the walk as well as talk the talk. NRA will make sure opportunities for tests of true intentions are not long in coming.

Change in Washington, D.C., will be very real. Extreme opponents of our Right to Keep and Bear Arms have been elevated to seats of power, especially in the House of Representatives, where Nancy Pelosi will become Speaker and John Conyers is set to take over the powerful Judiciary Committee. Anti-gunners will also assume the chairs of important sub-committees. The power shift is balanced in part by the fact that Second Amendment champion, and former NRA Board Member John Dingell, the longest serving member in the House, is set to regain the reins of the Energy and Commerce Committee and will be a powerful voice for gun owners rights among his colleagues. Pro-gun Democrats will also chair some very relevant committees and sub-committees.

There will be battles ahead, and, with the 2008 elections on the ever-nearing horizon, NRA members and their fellow gun owners must remain ever vigilant. We must let our representatives, both Democrat and Republican, know one thing: we expect our Second Amendment rights to be respected.

Again, thank you for all you have done this election year, and all you will continue to do in the future. [/size]
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Aglifter on November 16, 2006, 12:20:51 AM: Hmm, I live in Central Texas (hill country)...for some reason, I always thought Crawford was in west Texas -- the girl I knew from there at A&M seemed like she was from west Texas -- he won't be too welcome, regardless, if he signs anything gun control measures.
Title: Re: Shock and anger
Post by: Rocnerd on November 20, 2006, 12:43:33 PM: All I know is that I decided now was a good time to finally buy that AR. If any gun control stuff is coming down the pike I want my "evil black rifle" before they attempt to push through another ridiculous "assault weapons ban" or worse.