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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh Accessories => Topic started by: R9SCarry on December 01, 2005, 04:19:38 PM
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We have discussed grip tape in several threads I think and, having just at last aquired some and fitted it - thought I'd post pics and so keep this to a specific subject.
I did not find the 1" roll of 3M but instead having found some tape at last anyways - picked up a roll of ''Duck'' tread tape. This is 2" wide, not very cheap and also pretty coarse grit embedded - maybe the 3M is a bit finer but in fact this serves well for me, no problem. I will be able to use more of the roll for porch steps so - not going to waste!
My method of application may or may not suit others, having decided to be somewhat ''minimalist'' about it. In front I did not want to extend onto the ''curl'' up to trigger guard and to rear, also wanted to only place tape on the straight section.
In practice this feels just fine - giving better security for middle finger up front and palm/heel of hand at rear benefits just fine from the area covered.
In the pics below you may notice on the rear view, also, the dots of ''Bright Sights'' I applied a some time ago. In good light they do help a bit.
(http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/r9-griptape-f-318_s.jpg)
(http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/thr/shoot6/r9-griptape-b-315_s.jpg)
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Mighty fine, Chris.
I tried to use the same lengths of tape.
The tape just seems to go naturally with the pistol. It looks and feels just right.
Good job!
Bill
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Good job Chris! Whats your shipping address to send my R9 for that job? ;D
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Chris,
Did you add a close-up attachment to your camera for this shot?
And did you use a tripod?
Your pictures are always first class.
Bill
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I posted my pics on the "Gunsmithing and Modifications" forum yesterday - here they are again:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Erich505/RohrbaughGrandmaGadoTday1Dec5004.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Erich505/RohrbaughGrandmaGadoTday1Dec5006.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Erich505/RohrbaughGrandmaGadoTday1Dec5005.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/Erich505/RohrbaughGrandmaGadoTday1Dec5007.jpg)
R9SCarry's tape strips look neater than mine do. :)
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Erich,
Those are fine pictures. You and your camera are doing a fine job.
Did you use a close-up lens attachment?
Bill
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I'm thinking about adding some tape to the sides, too.
I hope it will come off without screwing up the beautiful finishes.
I think the factory should send a complimentary tape pack, where each strip had a big "R" on the side. :)
Bill
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Newt - I'd happily do the job for you but fear shipping costs would make it the most expensive grip tape ever :D
Erich, thx for adding your pics too - I doubt I'll add any tape to sides as the small additions so far seems to get me over the ''slippery frame'' aspect as they are.
Bill - for pics - no special close-up lens. I use a tripod plus remote release and rather long exposures - usually in order of 1.5, to 2 secs and that at f11. The camera is about 18" from subject and with near full zoom (7:1) I can still use manual focus down to 0.5 meter.
Three light sources (tungsten) over top of white sheet for diffusion - and white balance set to manual setting for that. I do have a macro setting which would get me in very close but rarely need that. Also, as original pics are 2560x1920 I can sometimes crop out a small item from that and still have a large pic in effect at size used for posting on web. The camera is Minolta DiMAGE A1.
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Bill, I - on the other hand - am just a total slob.
I just took some snapshots with my Nikon Coolpix 400 (or whatever it is) - no tripod, no lighting (just outdoors, indirect light), no close-up lens. I usually remember to activate the camera's close-up feature when taking gunpix, but forgot to do so this time.
R9SCarry, I put the tape on the stocks (it comes off fine w/o problems) because I have such difficulty given my thin palms. I wind up having to place my off-hand thumb alongside the stock and then grasp that thumb in my firing grip - this increases the overall "chunkiness" of the gripframe and enables me to fire the gun w/o failures (otherwise, I have them). The grip tape on the carbon fiber stocks greatly assists in keeping the gun still in my odd grip.
BTW, Eric Rohrbaugh said that Karl has a Hogue "Glock sock" on his R9s. I'd thought about doing that in order to increase the chunkiness of the gripframe on my gun, but decided I'd rather have the svelte frame as it is for carry.
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Have only used the Decal Grips on a Glock,have no idea on the others..
Brenden
http://www.skateboard.com/shop/Dept.asp?Cat_ID=359
http://www.ajaxgrips.com/ajax/decal
http://www.mle-shootingsports.com/trugrip.htm
May be able to adapt some sets for other guns-probably cheaper to just find the tape though!!
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A product that I think might be interesting is marketed in electronic stores. It's a rubberized cushiony patch (with adhesive on the back) to keep your cell phone from sliding off the dash of your car.
I haven't bothered to look into it yet, though.
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One other thing I saw Erich and considered - may be similar - was a sorta rubbery tape deal - meant for winding round a tennis racket handle to renew same.
Not sure tho if adhesive backed or perhaps even self-amalgamating tape. Could have possibilities where an increase in bulk is useful.
Don't think it matters what we use tho - as long as for the individual it does the trick! 8)
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>>Hi Chris...
I tried a product that looks like the stuff you got, only in plack...was made by 3M, 2" wide and sold as DECK tape, as in for a boat. Did you mean to say "deck" when you said "dock"...?
Anyway... I cleaned the surfaces well and heated up my gun under a lamp hoping to get a better seal. Interestingly, the way I cut it looks identical to what you did. Only one problem... I could not get the stuff to stick and stay on for the life of me. Any suggestions...?
Where's a kid with a skateboard when you want one...?...! Lol...!...TW<<
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TW - well mine is marked as ''tread tape'' - and probably why it is somewhat coarse - but I imagine stuck to front of a stair tread it will do nicely for extra grip. My BHP has a finer grit in the tape on it, so maybe that is ''deck'' tape.
I did wonder whether mine would stick as once backing pulled off it didn't feel too sticky - however, I rubbed areas first with alcohol to remove any hand grease and (knock on wood) so far it seems to staying put. I just applied plenty of pressure over it, edges in particular.
If yours won't stick - not sure what will help. I do have some spray contact adhesive, but like you'd use for automotive applications - I guess I'd try that if I had to - masking off areas first where overspray might go. Good luck with it.
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>>Actually... If you can imagine the tape in layers...sticky sheet part and grit sheet part... What happened with my tape is that the sticky sheet part attached just fine to the gun...but then that sheet separated from the grit sheet part...if that makes sense. Kinda weird...TW<<
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TW: The tape I used was made by a Canadian ouitfit, RCR International. Brand name is "PermaStik Safety Treads".
This is the tape Michigunner has been raving about. Guess I was lucky to find a package at the local K-Mart because they don't have any more. :(
My installation is beginning to look a little ragged; the stuff is wearing off at the bottom edges after a few months in service. But it works well, stays on thru detail cleaning.
This PermaStik tape is quite a bit thinner & more conformable than the 3M tape you've been trying. I've used the 3M tape on flat surfaces. It works great on stairs. Maybe you got an old package and the adhesive is losing it's grip??
Steve
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Thx for that info Steve - I will over time keep my eyes peeled for other types - on balance I would prefer the finer grit but have to say, even with this coarse grit, the improvement in feel is quite profound.
TW - ahh - see what you mean. So it is in effect then the loss of adhesion of what must be double sided tape, and its bond (or lack of!) to the grit tape element. I guess only other option might be to try and find some fresh double sided tape and try that.
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>>Steve & Chris...
Thanks for the helpful input. I'll go look for a K-Mart today. As much as I like the effect of the slip on Hogue Rubber Grip on my R-9s...it would be nice to have the thinner profile provided by the tape on one of my guns...until I can figure out which look & feel I like best.
Just out of curiosity... Given that the 3M tape is not product dated and looks and feels fine in hand - just how do you find and determine "fresh" tape...? I tried tasting it but all I got were bloody lips **grins**...TW<<
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[size=13]I tried tasting it but all I got were bloody lips **grins**[/size]
;D ;D ;D - Haha - sorry TW - you have to have a cat's tongue to manage that with no bleeding ;)
The tape I bought was not dated so I guess products of this type are assumed to have a long shelf life. OK I imagine if not exposed to temp extremes but would expect that too high a storage temp could artificially degrade adhesive.
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That dated remark got me to thinking. I'll bet there is a date code somewhere on the original packaging. But who keeps the package from a roll of tape? Not me.
Tape products definitely have a shelf life. I'll bet everyone reading this thread has thrown away masking tape, "scotch tape", etc., because you couldn't peel it off the roll or it wouldn't stick to anything.
An obvious date code, like on milk cartons, would cost the stores and the manufacturers money. They'd have to rotate and purge stock.
I think I'll have my research assistant (my B.W. Phyllis) do a web search on date codes. She's great at that stuff especially if I tell there's a good sale somewhere. 8)
Steve
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That dated remark got me to thinking. I'll bet there is a date code somewhere on the original packaging. But who keeps the package from a roll of tape? Not me.
Tape products definitely have a shelf life. I'll bet everyone reading this thread has thrown away masking tape, "scotch tape", etc., because you couldn't peel it off the roll or it wouldn't stick to anything.
An obvious date code, like on milk cartons, would cost the stores and the manufacturers money. They'd have to rotate and purge stock.
I think I'll have my research assistant (my B.W. Phyllis) do a web search on date codes. She's great at that stuff especially if I tell there's a good sale somewhere. 8)
Steve
>>In my situation I just bought a one foot strip off a roll so there is nothing for me to look at...unless I go back to the hardware store...which I will for grins...TW<<
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Hi Everybody,
I located the Perma Stik Black Tread Tape on the web at Aubuchon Hardware, with link :
http://paint-and-supplies.hardwarestore.com/
Click on "Tapes", then on "Anti-Slip & Safety Tape". Toward the bottom of the gallery of pictures of tapes is the "Perma Stik Anti-Skid Tread Black" for $8.49 plus shipping. I ordered a 20 ft.roll, Aubuchon Item # 618591 .
Now, I'll see if it helps make me miss less often and lets the R9s run smoother.
Best Wishes,
LeonB
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>>Yesterday I went to a K-Mart looking for "Perma Stik Safety Threads tape...no luck. Later I went to another local hardware store and found another type grip tape...another made by 3M. This stuff came in various widths and I choose the one inch variety. This stuff was not as thick as the stuff I found a few days ago and was more glossy black...and looked real fresh...but no production date found.
I went home and put some of the new stuff on one of my R9s and a Colt Mustang, and so far it is holding...! I did do some different prep work this time. Rather than use a degreaser to clean, and applying heat to the gun before taping...this time I used alcohol, as per Chris and no heat. I will try and get some pics to post in the next day or so showing the different grip applications I'm trying. This is fun...!...TW<<
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I also cleaned first with alcohol. It stuck perfectly, and looks like it will be there for the long run.
Bill
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with a 20 ft. roll you could do a body wrap.
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[size=13]with a 20 ft. roll you could do a body wrap.[/size]
;D ;D ;D
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Mighty fine, Chris.
I tried to use the same lengths of tape.
The tape just seems to go naturally with the pistol. It looks and feels just right.
I went out today and found something called Skid Guard Safety Tape ($4.99 for 8 ft. at Ace Hardware), and did what Michigunner did, only I extended my tape a quarter inch more on the backstrap. Just a little extra that gives me a little extra grip.
It looks like it was made for the gun (or that the gun was made with it) and it kinda feels like 30lpi checkering feels. (I prefer 20 or 25, but hey, this fix cost me all of 5 bucks, with enough left to do another 12 R9s!;^)
I still haven't been back to the range, but it looks like tomorrow is a good day. I'll let you know. Already it's easier to draw from my pocket.
And if it works great, I'll make a few and send to the Brothers R'. I think it beats the Handall, Jr., um, hands down...
Steve
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Hogue Grip Sleeve #18000
http://shutter03.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/04/009/3F/F9/F0/DC/kRFI8Br8bgX9+6imr0mWat+af-
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You are getting close now.
The final result might look something like mine, except it could say aol and include your userid:
http://home.comcast.net/~michigunnerII/onlinestorage/DCP_3388.JPG
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Steve,
Here is the URL you just sent me in a PM.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yachtsmannc/detail?.dir=/91d0&.dnm=792 6re2.jpg
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The URL was long, and I did have a problem pasting it here.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yachtsmannc/detail?.dir=/91d0&.dnm=7926re2.jpg
Probably would be best to study the material in AOL. I don't have a membership, else would go in and see what they recommend.
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Hogue Grip Sleeve #18000
(http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=RohrGrip__2005-12-22_Mvc-909f.jpg)
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I tried at badongo, same thing
http://http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=RohrGrip__2005-12-22_Mvc-909f.jpghttp://
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Steve,
The first "tag" should say IMG and the last one should say /IMG.
In square brackets, of course.
Your tags say url, instead of IMG.
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http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yachtsmannc/detail?.dir=/91d0&.dnm=7926re2.jpg&.src=ph
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Tried it both ways. I'll try it again with the bodongo
(http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=RohrGrip__2005-12-22_Mvc-909f.jpg)
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same result. Good night Thanks for the help sorry to take your time. I WILL get to the bottom of this!!
Tomorrow
Thx again,
Steve
Next time we talk about guns OK
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one more
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http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=RohrGrip__2005-12-22_Mvc-909f.jpg
(http://)
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(http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=RohrGrip__2005-12-22_Mvc-909f.jpg)
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Steve - fear not! We'll get there.
I have been meaning to write an info page on the FAQ site just to help folks get over this and will try and do so soon.
It seems you are still getting tags a bit mixed and also you have some html creeping in!!
Using curly braces - any url you use should look something like this, to make a linked pic show! - you would of course use sqaure braces normally -
{img}http://www.yourhostingserver.com/image-folder/yourpic.jpg{/img}