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Title: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on August 15, 2006, 03:40:28 PM

Trying something new,  the example is a bit rough..   The Pivot feature is still undecided..

Size is 3- 3/4" wide x 5- 1/8" tall  [edited to correct typo]
(http://www.fototime.com/0B376C03C02A4B5/standard.jpg)
(http://www.fototime.com/4F542434FD9AC07/standard.jpg)

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: FireBreather01 on August 15, 2006, 05:34:45 PM

 
I'll take one!:) - with a little adjustment maybe this could be an ambi-holster? I like the pivot.

Title: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Richard S on August 15, 2006, 05:53:57 PM

Count me in for two if you go to production -- one for the R9 and one for the G-380, both black and both initialed "TRS."  If you do any trim on the top edge of the holster, I'll take that as well.  (A man can never have too many holsters.   :D )

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Brenden on August 15, 2006, 06:25:47 PM

RJ,
I would take one too!!

Interesting design..

It looks like it may mask the form of the gun nicely!!

Brenden

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: tracker on August 15, 2006, 06:39:45 PM

Simple concept and innovative; you should patent that one.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on August 15, 2006, 06:46:28 PM

 
No ambi-holster, the "holster body" Is flat on the side that is mated against the Antii- print Panel.
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I hear you too, Richard,  I can always count on you, my friend.

I'm going to work on this thing a bit more,  it will be a good holster for those that want to carry a full anti- print holster in the front pocket..

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: BlueGrips on August 15, 2006, 06:51:09 PM

I like it!  :D

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: chameleon on August 15, 2006, 09:14:40 PM

Oh man RJ, how do you come up with these ideas? That is a great one!
I'm in.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: tracker on August 15, 2006, 09:29:58 PM

Maybe a gunslinger from Tucson in the 1800s originated
thiis one.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on August 16, 2006, 08:53:36 AM

Thanks Guys.    I still have work to do on the idea,  but thought I would see how it was received...

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on August 16, 2006, 10:17:00 PM

It looks like there is going to be 2 more Hedley holsters in my future!  Or, maybe 4 - I'll have to give that some thought.

The anti-print panel is awesome.  I like the fact that it doesn't add to the width of the holster, as some other presently available designs with anti-print panels do.  

Two suggestions:

1)  Add the reinforcement to the side facing the body to provide a wider thumb push.

2)  If you do include the pivot, make sure it can be secured so that it doesn't pivot if not desired.

Could you elaborate a little more on the purpose of the pivot?

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: WoodstockDoug on August 16, 2006, 11:40:02 PM

I can think of one reason for the pivot -- in clothing with particularly wide pockets, like jackets or some cargo pants, the print panel could be pivoted to have the long side lay horizontally, thus stabilizing the holster, then flip back to vertical in more conventional pants.

That may not be why RJ was designing it, but it might be a good reason regardless.  I'm thinking that for that to work correctly, the pivot would have to be centered more, instead of low like it is in the prototype.  

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on August 17, 2006, 12:17:19 AM

Now the hard part, to explain..

First off, I feel every one will find the way this holster will work for "Them".

The Pivot must stay where it is, any higher and it's in the gun area of the holster body.

The pivot, along with the absolute minimum on the anti-print panel  [APP], makes the holster more flexible and not so "blocky" looking non-gun Print..


I can make the "APP"  shift over to the second photo position by placing my hand in my pocket with all finger extended,  the contact the gun on the rear sight with my thumb. and let my last three fingers push the "APP" over..,    Clear as mud, I'm sure..

Right now, I'm working on the locking of the Pivot , if so desired.  

Trying to locate Chicago Screws with screw driver slots on both ends..

Got any more questions or suggestions,  fire away..


Bed time   ;D

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Matt Del Fatti on August 17, 2006, 09:26:59 AM

Pretty nifty RJ.  I have some small chicago screws with slots cut on both sides if you want to try some.  Shoot me an email if you need some mailed your way.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: mjt on August 21, 2006, 09:22:43 PM

I am very interested in greater antiprint in a front pocket holster!
Please pardon my ignorance (or don't...my wife doesn't), but can you please tell me the difference between this and the back pocket model?  Is it the pivot?
Thanks.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on August 21, 2006, 10:12:57 PM

Understand that the pictured holster is something in progress.

But to to answer the question,  there are three differences.  The Pivot , the Minimized size, and the angled cut of the right lower corner.  I'm sure the smaller size and the angle cut will stay with the design, front or rear carry.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Arizona on September 01, 2006, 12:39:38 AM

Would you need to tighten and loosen screw to pivot?

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on September 12, 2006, 01:01:53 PM

Sorry to be so long in answering,  I am still thinking on the swivel,  It would be more functional to stay loose, but a lots of guy will see it as an annoyance, as they have it in their hands,  playing with it.   Just my thoughts...

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on September 13, 2006, 12:16:13 AM

RJ,

I really question whether the swivel is needed.  It might allow the panel to shift, defeating the whole purpose of the panel.  It is easy enough to get a hand between a stationary panel and the grip of a gun.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on September 17, 2006, 12:58:11 PM

I think you are right,  I'm trying too hard to make it have a function. :D

The only thing gained in this experiment is a reduction in over all size.  Thanks for input..

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Richard S on September 18, 2006, 12:06:13 AM

RJ:

The beauty and function of your new design is in its adaptablity to the design of the user's pocket.  

Ever since you first offered a pocket holster with a full counter-print panel (your so-called "Back Pocket" model), thereby perfecting a concept which I believe the legendary Chic Gaylord had first conceived, I have routinely had the strong-side front pockets of my trousers (suit pants, slacks, cargos, or BDUs) deepened:  12" from the top, 6" wide, squared at the bottom.  That allows me to carry a pocket pistol in my right front pocket with total concealment -- even on occasion the Mustang .380, a pocket holster for which you reluctantly agreed to design because it pushed the envelope for pocket pistols.  

The new design which you are contemplating will fill a niche which many of us out here will appreciate.  After my years of working in the so-called Third World, I am one of those who go armed 24/7, except in places where doing so is prohibited by law.  My decision on which pistol or revolver (and the attendant holster) to carry on any given day depends on the circumstances and my required wardrobe for that given day.  Your proposed new holster design offers a new range of options for carrying one of the smaller pocket pistols without having one's strong-side pockets altered.

And a man can never have too many holsters.   8)

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on September 18, 2006, 01:18:33 PM

For right now, The cut of the R9 back Pocket holster will be of the smaller profle, shown the  Photo.  This is the smalkest the holster can be and still mask the R9's print.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: SSonnentag on October 05, 2006, 06:54:38 PM

Nice holster.  Sign me up for one also.  I agree with some others that the swivel isn't necessary and may get in the way due to inconsistent configuration within the pocket.

Shawn

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on October 05, 2006, 09:36:10 PM

Mostly the Pivot, that really doesn't do anything worth while, I'm afraid.  But the profile is different and much smaller.   The size reduction is worthwhile..

So just forget the pivot for now...

Thanks for your interest..

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: st_albert on November 24, 2006, 09:06:25 PM

Yes, I think this is the best design for an R9 that I've seen.  I don't think the pivot feature adds anything for me, so I'd just as soon see a fixed position for the APP (Just my opinion).  If you go into production, I would probably buy one.

FWIW, I am currently using an HBE pocket pistol holster (I forget what it's called) with a folding APP (It's a flap hinged on the front so it can be folded left or right depending on which side you put it on).  It was designed for a PPK/S, but fits my R9 just fine.  Its only problem is that it has an extension (hook?) to keep it in the pocket when you draw, but which prevents it from fitting a couple of pairs of pants that have really small pockets.  Your design would seemingly avoid that.

Let us all know if you decide to offer this one commercially.  And for what it's worth: if you need a beta tester, I'd be glad to volunteer   ;D

Albert

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on November 24, 2006, 10:16:37 PM

For now I am covered up, but if you want this type of holster, just ask for the Abbreviated Rear carry holster.  That will be the minimum height, width and angled bottom, curved top..

E-mail me, "Richard S" gets the first one.    :D

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Richard S on November 25, 2006, 09:26:35 AM

Blessings upon you, my friend!   8)

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: erh on November 25, 2006, 11:07:53 AM

"Very nice as alway's RJ..!"

E!

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Aglifter on December 04, 2006, 10:14:37 PM

After several years of carry in the plant, stores, general sweat drenched carry, my anti-print flap has started to bend down.  While it still doesn't print too badly, it definitely reveals an L-shaped object in my pants -- maybe a piece of kydex, or something could reinforce it?

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: RJ HEDLEY on December 04, 2006, 10:19:39 PM

The Panel can be replaced.  If it is one of mine, return it with $5 S&H charges.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Aglifter on December 05, 2006, 08:43:13 PM

It's not really something worth surrendering my holster for, I just meant it as something to consider if you're designing a new holster -- it might actually need to be replaced in another few years, but now that it won't be getting soaked through in the kitchen every day, I don't know that it'll be much of a problem.

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: Richard S on December 06, 2006, 09:01:10 AM

I'm an admitted  holster and grip "junkie" who keeps his spare parts stored by gun type in the safe.  During a recent inventory one rainy Sunday afternoon, I counted four old counter-print panels for my favorite and most often carried holster of two "Backpocket" models which RJ made for my G-380 six years ago.  Here's what a Hedley Holster looks like after six years of hard use and several accidental immersions in Smoky Mountain trout streams:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/hedleyholster-sixyears.jpg)

Title: Re: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: BillinPittsburgh on December 06, 2006, 11:40:15 PM

Many holsters would be useless after 6 years of constant use even without the immersions in the streams, which would serve to loosen them up even faster.  That holster would look new but for the indentations from the gun.

Title: Prototype Front Carry holster
Post by: TW on December 07, 2006, 08:31:54 PM

>>Count me in for one, please...!...TW<<