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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: RJ HEDLEY on July 22, 2004, 12:46:29 PM
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THANK YOU! ;D
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I would say that those pictures make a pretty strong point.
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RJ - bless you Sir for your trouble ... indeed, strong point and .... valuable reference for us to have on the site. Excellent.
Oh and .... it pleased Bandit too!! :D
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Just noticed RJ - and seeing as we elsewhere were wondering what evolutionary changes had occurred since earliest ones .... just how early is yours - I forget?
I notice a significant difference in proportions at muzzle. Looks like more ''meat'' top and bottom of slide. I'll try shortly to take a frontal pic of mine so we can compare - just a matter of interest that's all. Compare them side by side.
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He we go RJ - quite interesting I think you'll agree ..... mine incidentally, as a reminder is 32x S/N. Oh and - I assume that shot of yours, the recoil spring assembly was out!!!
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Thank you.
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R9SCarry
My Rohrbaugh is a *holster maker pattern gun*, a non- shooter. Rohrbaugh sent a few of them out to holster makers that requested them...
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I can see how the reviewer thought they were about the same size. There doesn't seem to be ANY difference at all. They probably can use the same holster.
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[size=13]My Rohrbaugh is a *holster maker pattern gun*, a non- shooter.[/size]
RJ ... El thicko dumba$$ here! Shucks ... no wonder it looked so different . Geez ..... is this how Alzheimer's begins!! ::) ::) ::) ::)
I can be quite intelligent - ocassionally! ;D ;D
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Gee, let me think
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Thank you RJ. Your pictures just make me more eager to get my Rohrbaugh and retire my PM9 to the safe. I hope that the Rohrbaugh comes in today, or at least soon.
By the way, I ordered my Rohrbaugh April 30th. Does anyone who got one recently have a guess as to how much longer my wait might be?
Frank
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On July 8, Eric told me they were just finishing up the February orders. On the other hand, they are getting them out the door a lot faster now... so you are getting there, but I would guess another month at least.
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I know that I should know this, but could someone please tell me how to post pictures?
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Can I assume you have a digtial camera?
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Hi RJ,
I have a digital camera and the pictures I wanted to post are at photobucket.com. I don't have any trouble posting pictures to other web sites. Like I said, I should know this, or at least be able to figure it out. Thanks for the help.
Frank
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Post the address Photo bucket gives you, let me see what may be wrong.
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Make sure you type in (img)on the start
and (/img)at the end with no spaces.
like this (img)photo-address(/img) but use [ ] instead of ( )
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Thanks RJ, I think that I might have it now. Here is another comparison between a Rohrbaugh and a Glock. I also put up a picture of my PM9.
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Well, I'm pretty convinced the Rohrbaugh has it, hands down,
once you get pass the price. But that problem exists with many more of my choices in life. ;D
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Well, I'm pretty convinced the Rohrbaugh has it, hands down,
once you get pass the price. But that problem exists with many more of my choices in life. ;D
Not so fast........
Saw this post on KTOG:
http://www.ktog.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=64128#post64128
And although disliked, I think Wilco may have said it best when he stated, "well, once a pc is small enough, and lw enough for a front pants pocket, making it smaller or lighter just hurts the user's ability to hit swiftly and repeatedly. I think that Kahr stole Mr Rorbaugh's thunder, with their $600, 15 oz, 6" PM9 9mm."
And we STILL haven't seen a photograph of an ACTUAL r9 beside an actual pm9 >:(
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I certainly don't believe the Kahr PM-9 is at the point in which it can no longer be made smaller... I carried one in a pocket for several months before deciding it wasn't an ideal pocket gun.
Besides, the computer analogy is not very good. If you are using a laptop or handheld frequently, you want the interface to be large enough to be used comfortably and efficiently. That is different than a firearm which you will use rarely or never. I don't care if its comfortable, so long as it is functional when needed.
You must really be doing your homework here to dig up that quote...
What do you mean you haven't seen pics of an ACTUAL R-9 and a PM-9? I have one of the holster-making dummies myself (or Kevin does). It is exactly the same, except the slide is welded to the frame. RJ's seems to be missing the internal recoil rod. So what? By definition, a holster-making gun has to be identical in size to its counterpart. In this case, the dummy gun IS the actual gun, just a non-firing model. I am not sure I see your point.
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Well, Mr Bandit, I did the best that I could, with my photos. Even though the R9s I posted was a non- firing mock- up, the Kahr was real.
This was a size comparison question in the beginning. What is it you are looking for?
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Bandit:
I have been reading your posts with some care and interest. What is your ultimate point? From where are you coming, and to where are you attempting to go?
If you do not like the Rohrbaugh design, well and good. I do. And so do many others here. (After all, this is a Rohrbaugh forum.) If you are an advocate for another design, please let us know and give us the benefit of your accumulated experience and wisdom.
RS
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DDGator
"You must really be doing your homework here to dig up that quote..."
That would of course be true if Bandit and Wilco weren't one and the same. Has no one else realized this?
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He certainly has a way with words, they get under your skin. Just give him a liile more rope. :-/
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Bandit, from your posts it seems clear to me that you decided you'd rather have a Kahr than an R9 quite a while ago. That's fine - there's a reason the market supports many different designs of pistols.
Your posts seem to have an attitude that you feel it's our job to convince you otherwise, and to provide you the exact data you want. Your most recent posts seem to be angry that someone hasn't provided you some exact detailed pictures for size comparison. People have gone through effort to supply those pictures, and still it's not good enough for you because they include a dimensionally accurate holster maker's copy.
I can't speak for the owner of these forums, but my understanding is this is a forum for talking about the Rohrbaugh, and sharing of knowledge. That's been done. This isn't the official Rohrbaugh Customer Service & Sales/Marketing board.
Enjoy your PM9.
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FJC:
Thank you!
Roger - WILCO - Over & Out
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I notice a [glb]significant difference in proportions[/glb] at muzzle. Looks like more ''meat'' top and bottom of slide.
By definition, a holster-making gun has to be identical in size to its counterpart. * * * I am not sure I see your point.
Just looking for a lil' consistency with the prior testimony, er, comments. I would expect you, Richard S, of all people, to understand what I am talking about. I am not an advocate for another design, but rather, an advocate for open discussion. I thought this was America afterall.....
RJ -- I know you did the best you could. Actually, you have shown more with photos than anybody else was willing. That is why I previously expressed my great thanks. R9SCarry's post & photo, however, raised some legit questions about whether the actual r9 has addn'l bulk in its dimensions. With all the members claiming to own both models, I'd a figured someone coulda posted the two actuals side-by-side. Maybe my posts raise more questions than praise, but I thought this was a forum where all aspects of the r9 was discussed.....
DDGator -- I don't believe Wilco was making a computer analogy. I believe by "pc" he meant "primary carry" piece; I could be wrong, but I don't know of many persons who use computers to hit attackers "swiftly and repeatedly" (except perhaps when playing "Doom" ;D). BTW, I'm not Wilco, however, I could see myself turning into a version of him if I participate in these gun forums too much longer. :P
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Your most recent posts seem to be angry that someone hasn't provided you some exact detailed pictures for size comparison.
FJC, why did they seem angry to you? Because of the little smiley-angry face? >:( ....... ::)
Or are you personally upset with me because you gave an answer with "attitude" to my question about clearing a jam, only to be completely refuted by an experienced dealer who, unlike you, has actually handled this gun?
I ask questions about the r9, because I don't own one (yet). Curious, however, how you share your knowledge of it.
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Hi Bandit:
I don't own a PM9, but I have looked at it. It is a compact carry piece. But it is not a pocketgun.
My definition of a pocketgun is one that I can conceal in my right rear pocket.
As the Gun Test review author noted--some of the test shooters preferred the Rohrbaugh to the PM9.
Most of the folks on this board are hard core pocketgun fans. They view pocketguns not as a substitute for a primary defensive pistol, but rather as a supplement.
To compare the Rohrbaugh to the PM9 is like contrasting a Jeep Wrangler with a Vette.
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FJC, why did they seem angry to you? Because of the little smiley-angry face? >:( ....... ::)
Yes, as posting a sentence with multiple words all in caps, followed by an angry-face icon, does seem to lend itself to being interpreted as anger.
Or are you personally upset with me because you gave an answer with "attitude" to my question about clearing a jam, only to be completely refuted by an experienced dealer who, unlike you, has actually handled this gun?
I ask questions about the r9, because I don't own one (yet). Curious, however, how you share your knowledge of it.
Sigh. My post regarding clearing of a jam clearly stated that though I don't own an R9 as of yet, the design is similar to the Kel-Tec P-3AT (in as much as neither has a slide lock). The actual first sentence of my paragraph on the subject starts, "I do not have my R9 as of yet, so cannot speak directly from experience - however, I doubt it would be any different from similar issues that other small pocket pistols have".
The experienced dealer you refer to does not refute anyone's claims (and never mentions me or my posting). I don't think ANYONE has claimed that clearing a jam in the R9 (or any small pocket pistol) is a quick and easy thing.
And with that, I'm officially finished feeding the trolls.
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MurrayNevada:
I think you may well have "broken the code."
RS
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Hello. I am a new member of this forum. I currently own a Seecamp .32 but have never fired it, much less carried it (I do have a CCW) in addition to a full-size 1911 and some hunting guns (Ruger Bisleys). The PM9 and Rohrbaugh have me intrigued because we are now talking a "real" caliber. Likewise, the new PM40 has me also intrigued. At this time I have not seen, much less handled or fired either a Kahr or Rohrbaugh.
Does the distinction of "pocket" for the Rohrbaugh vs some other form of carry really get to the essence of one's decision making-assuming that price is no object?
Can Rohrbaugh do to the .40 cal what it did to the 9mm?
Your advice will be appreciated. Thanks
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rWt - welcome aboard! :) Enjoy.
NOT fired the Seecamp?? Shame on ya! :P
I think yes - ''pocket'' is the real factor in the decision process. Mind you - I might be something of an exception tho because I have a belt slide rig for mine too ..... and in my case that is because when feasable it allows me to carry with prospect of a much quicker access. Then the gun's appeal is simply ''small is beautiful'' ... with regard to ease of concealment. So small and flat - very hard to have much problem printing.
Of course, where circumstances (clothing mainly) permit - I carry bigger for sure. The R9 is not a first choice gun for most part unless it is ''all that is left'' due to constraints. Overall I'd prefer to think of it as an excellent BUG..... for which pocket is pretty much default way to go.
Re the .40 cal ...... hmmm ... I rather doubt it right now. For the foreseable future, they will be only able to beaver away at the R9 output - trying their best to meet demand. No time now for any more large scale R&D I'd think.
The R9 is such an ideal niche gun, I'm not even sure if a progression to a larger cal is even warrented - and size would have to be increased anyways - by default, even if marginal.