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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: doctordun on December 05, 2004, 02:21:06 AM
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Does anyone else have this experience? I've shown my R9 to several friends, most of whom, have ccw permits. They like the gun, but can't believe that I would shell out that kind of money for a 9mm. Now they have no problem paying the same for a 45, but for some reason, they feel that the "inferior" 9mm caliber should not cost as much. When I go over my justifications for the purchase price, it doesn't seem to have much impact. None of them pocket carry and that may be the reason I can't seem to connect with them. Maybe, from now on, I will keep the price my own secret.
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That's pocket envy for ya'!!! I have had the same reaction with some of the other guns I have including Seecamps, snubbie revolvers, etc. My reasoning for their comment is that they never educated themselves to what a grand selection of ammo is available to almost any shooter in a very wide caliber availability. They suckled and nursed on a 1911, it's big, goes BOOM, and makes big hole, too so they never had to stretch their facile minds to understand that less large calibers can have equivalent lethality to their one gun worlds.
I do keep these thing to myself unless in the comany of educated shooters that understand the nuances and differences in carrying and shooting a gun like this. Hang in their brother!!!
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I don't continue conversations with folks that think it's 45, .........or nothing.
There's no point, .......they think "Caliber only"..
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I'm familiar with the "Bigger is better" train of thought. There are open minds and those that are rusted shut. Liberal amounts of info MAY change some minds
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"$900, that's a lot for a pocket gun" ::)
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There seem to be two ''camps'' ... the ''how much?!!!'' and those who genuinely are impressed and see the cost as both secondary and - justified.
In the latter category are folks who have bought or owned ''loaded'' 1911's, race guns, various high end pieces which are in region of perhaps $1500 - or even more - they have no problem!
I think the size aspect comes in too - perceived value because of size or lack of it. I tend to remind folks that sometimes smaller is even costlier because it is not the actual amount of material that goes in to the creation - more the design and engineering sophistication - not to mention the preceeding R&D ... an oft forgotten factor.
True ''pocket afficionados and fans'' do not baulk at the cost, other than the possibility or not of them actually affording it themselves.
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This is the primary reason the gun its the reaction it does on the net. Sticker shock / gun jealousy. Its ridiculous. People who own several $550 Glocks act like there is no way they would ever afford a $900 gun.
I could go on and on... It makes me nuts.
Has anyone seen how many $1000+ MSRP guns are on the market today? A lot.
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The way to look at it is? Everyone should know that when you tell someone what something cost they always have a remark, 2nd, Its none of ther business, 3rd, You Pay for what you get, and 4th, they might just be Cheap and think you should live by there standard?
Just my .02
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I have had this happen over and over again with the Seecamps.
I'm sure once I get the Rohrbaugh the same will happen.
I already here it just showing a few people the R-9s in a gun magazine article.
I like quality, and will pay for it. I know a great thing when I see it.
There are people that don't see it, so don't try to convince them, it is not worth your time.
Birds of a feather, flock together...that's why we all come here and talk about it.
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I agree--you get what you pay for.
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I also have had a few self-appointed experts opine on the allegedly high cost of my R9s. My response has been to the effect that: "If you can't afford a Rohrbaugh now, start saving. If you can afford one but want to save money, what value do you place on your own life or the lives of those who mean the most to you and who expect you to protect them?"
If I could do so, I would always carry my customized 1911-type Colt .45, with a pocket gun as a backup. Because of my life style, however, I must usually settle for a pocket gun alone. In that situation, it is very comforting to have a 9mm in the pocket. And, in my not-so-humble opinion, the Rohrbaughs are the best solution yet devised to that particular problem.
RS
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I will be paying more than those of you who already have one. According to Eric, the next guy will be paying more than me. It is called free enterprise and the R9 is on the good side of demand.
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PCA,
That is probably true, but its not just a matter of the Rohrbaughs charging what the market will bear... From my discussions with Eric, they are very sensitive about the price, but costs keep going up and they have to recoup some of the money they spent in R&D, a new factory, etc.
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Some people have a "price per ounce" mentality ... A 40-ounce 1911 that sells for $1000 comes out to $25 an ounce. A 12-ounce Rohrbaugh that sells for $900 costs $75 an anouce -- that's three times more per ounce than their gun.
(http://www.picyard.com/main/data/524/68AF-S2.GIF)
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Some people have a "price per ounce" mentality ... A 40-ounce 1911 that sells for $1000 comes out to $25 an ounce. A 12-ounce Rohrbaugh that sells for $900 costs $75 an anouce -- that's three times more per ounce than their gun.
Fudster,
You're looking kinda bad since the operation. Is there anything we can do to help;^)
Hey, $75 an ounce? That sounds cheap...
Cal
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Operation? What Operation? ;D Just figured that this would be an improvement over showing my ugly mug ;)
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Gosh, my wife and I just had our 25th. wedding anniversary and I bought her a new diamond ring!!! It is much smaller than my R9 and was much more expensive.. I believe the value of the size is in the beholders eyes!!! Gosh, that kinda rhymes!!!! ::) Jim
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Gosh, my wife and I just had our 25th. wedding anniversary and I bought her a new diamond ring!!! It is much smaller than my R9 and was much more expensive.. I believe the value of the size is in the beholders eyes!!! Gosh, that kinda rhymes!!!! ::) Jim
>>Gosh, Jim... You are such the romantic, **sniff**. Maybe you should include that little poem into a love note to accompany the new ring...? Just a thought. On second thought...unless your wife actually bought that R9 for you as a gift for your 25th...then maybe you should leave it out...but who am I to say. Regardless - congratulations on your 25th anniversary...!...TW<<
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The R-9 is more like a sophisticated piece of electronics -- where small size/weight is desireable. The smaller it is, the higher the technology, the more desireable -- therefore a higher price.
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Hey TW, you got a point there!!! I think I'll leave the love note out as I bought the R9s for my self!! ;) However, she didn't have any problem with my purchase!! :D But, then again she is my second wife and second wives should always be understanding of our necessary purchases!!!! The first one wasn't an understanding soul at all!!! Have a great day, Jim ::)
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>>Jim...
I hear you about second wives being more understanding than first ones about personal purchases... That has been my experience as well, but why is it that way...???
My first wife would have wanted a gift of her own to at least match the one I got for myself. She might even have tried to take my own gift away from me.
My second wife is actually happy for me when I find something I would like to have for myself and buy it... Which in turn, makes me want to do nice things for her beyond measure. Funny how that works. If only there was some way for a first wife to learn from the second...in which case there might not be any need for the second wife...!!! Such a quandry... Hmmmmmmm...TW
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TW - the ''2nd time around'' syndrome is a mystery ... maybe somehow we just have to go thru the mill that once to qualify for a better 2nd trip - darned if I know! ;D
My wife is a total darling and keeper ... not tho that she quite sees 65 odd firearms as ''necessary'' LOL .... ::) :P
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65 firearms?? I thought my 15 was a bunch.
Doesn't the liberal news media consider any more than 2 firearms with more than 50 rounds of ammunition as an ARSENAL?
Just about everone I know has an arsenal at home and most have that within reaching distance.
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Doc ... ''they'' will I think even concede that at times even one weapon comprizes an ''arsenal''. With mine, I like just the simple word .. ''collection''! :P
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Second wives, I suspect, are older/wiser than first wives.
Trophy wives excluded.
Just a guess-I have no personal experience with either
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Hey TW, it sounds like we both did much better the "second time around". I'm happy for you that your wife is supportive and positive.. I often wonder why I stayed with the first for 13 years, however, thats easy, it was because of the kids!! They ended up coming with me anyway!!! My "second" wife is very kind and supportive and likes guns.. She has harvested two bucks, and bow hunted for many years.. She traveled the U.S. on the back of my Harley for 5 years and enjoyed every minute of it!! She was even selected as the Michigan State Art Teacher of the year in 2003!!! You are cetainly correct in that great soul mates make us want to treat them special?? I'm a very fortunate fellow and give thanks daily... Now, for those of you saying what's this have to do with the R9,, it just goes to show what fine decisions we R9 owners make in life!!!!! Have a great week,, Jim :)
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My FFL dealer really liked my R9S after it was shipped to him. He was impressed with the quality, the fact that two mags are included, and wasn't put off by the price. (He noted some other custom quality 1911 that only includes one mag, but I forgot the brand he mentioned.) He knows his firearms and knows what quality costs.