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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: logical on July 20, 2005, 11:38:49 AM
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Do those of you that regularly carry the R9 go through the routine of getting the 7th round loaded or just carry 6 total (5+1)?
If you add the 7th do you also do this at the range?...seems it would be wise.
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sounds logical to me.
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I certainly carry 6+1.
At the range I shoot my carry rounds first, then to the extent I shoot more, I shoot mags of 6 without topping off.
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Practice - just 6 in the mag. Carry always 6+1.
When I load I rack slide in safe direction of course - then mag out and top off. I do rotate the first round when doing an unload and reload.
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Six plus one for carry. Six in the spare magazine.
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Why even consider carrying less than a full complement
in a self-defense weapon? Would Sheriff Wyatt Earp
downlod to 5?
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[size=13]Would Sheriff Wyatt Earp
downlod to 5?[/size]
Only if he had had a snub!! ;D ;D
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If Wyatt carried a SAA, 5 was the safe carry with an empty chamber under the hammer.
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I, like most others here go for the full experience. 6 +1. Spare magazine, 6 rounds.
Bill
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Well mentioned Dick - of course!
If a BG is looking at the wrong end of an R9 he will probably not know the capacity and if shots been fired you could well ask the famous question - ''Did I fire 'x' shots or 'y' - do you feel lucky punk - well, do ya?" ;D ;D
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Not to beat a dead horse, but Wyatt carried a buntline
and I can assure you he did not worry about an empty
chamber under the hammer at the OK Corral. That came
later when a few rhinestone cowboys like a friend of mine
in college who shot himself in the calf while doing fast draw.
The only rational justification for carrying less than a full
load in combat came from the SAS regarding the Browning
High Power; I will respect their judgment.
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I don't think I'd worry about having the hammer of a Buntline on an empty cylinder if I were Wyatt at the OK corral. Especially if I had Doc Holiday on my left with a scattergun! Bet the lead was flying that day. Ike Clanton looks like such a weasel in all of the movies.
Must agree and say The SAS have a good reason for everything and I would tend to ere on that side, knowing their attention to detail. But with the R-9 I think 6+1 is a good rule of thumb.
Mike
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I do 6+1..
I try to practice that way also when I am shooting as I want to make sure that my mag feeds right with the "full" load..
I have in the past with other gun systems had a problem with a "fully" loaded mag feeding properly.or vice-versa a downloaded mag not acting properly..
It is a bit more work to do this when I am shooting,but I do not shoot the R9 a "lot" but when it's in my pocket,I want to make sure it goes bang when I need it.. :)
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Chris, I don't reallly remember anything about the SAS carrying one round less in their hi-power. However, it could be the worry about the spring tension in the mag. What say you? I have read alot about the SAS in several books that I have. Tom
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Tom - Tracker brought up the SAS aspect. As I recall the BHP was carried condition 2 or even 3 - someone else maybe can expand on that. :)
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I believe that the Israeli's also carry their sidearms with the chamber empty and part of the draw technique is to draw, and as the gun comes across the body to grab the slide with the weak hand and pull the gun forward with the strong hand, release the slide chambering a round from the magazine, bringing the sights up on target. It sounds slow and complicated but when practiced is very smooth and easy.
Mike
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Col. Jeff Cooper has stated the best way to carry a 1911 .45acp is in condition 1. The gun fully loaded with hammer back and safety on. Regards, Tom
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Jeff Cooper is one of the most respected authorities on handguns & shooting in general and 1911's in particular. I totally agree with all he has to say on the matter.
Tom, thanks for digging that up. You stepped up to the plate once again kid.
Mike
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Tom, Just to satisfy my curiosity, whats the deal with the SAS? Do they carry BHP with full mag + 1 or don't they?
Mike
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Mike, I have a lot of books on the SAS. I don't remember that they carry BHP with an empty chamber. Having said that, there is a nagging thought that it's possible. I also spent some time with the old director of training at H&K, he was ex SAS. In fact he was on the team that went in the Iran Embassy in London. We did a couple of police demo's together, when I was a law enforcement dealer and class 3 dealer for H&K. He told me a story about his time in northern Ireland. He was trying to get in with an IRA unit and they took him on a ride to another pub, however ,as the car left town......he got in a gun fight in the car. Two guys in the front seat and he was in the middle of the back seat. Sounds like he was fully loaded to me. You can search british military units.uk and get to the British Army web site. Then click on ceremonial, which will bring you to the Household Brigade click on that and then go to Irish Guard. This the Irish Guard official web site.The only thing there about the SAS is the reserve, which has nothing. Regards, Tom
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Tom and all: I did not mean to say the SAS carried one
round less because the chamber was empty; it was one
round less in the magazine because of the magazine's
spring tension. I do not know which carry condition they
used with the BHP and I think I read that they have switched
to Sigs[maybe 228].
I own 5 Belgium BHPs and love every one of them.
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stare stare stare stare,............. and stare..
There you go, :D
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I found an article written by Massad Ayoob in the Feb. 2004
issue of "Guns" magazine that goes into great detail regarding
the pros and cons of the BHP and it mentions that the SAS
carried 12 in the magazine instead of 13 for reliability.
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13 in the R-9 sounds like a good number for the BG.
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Thanks Tracker. I thought I remembered something about mags, but could not put my finger on it. Now it makes sense. Tom
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A quote from "LIVING WITH THE 1911" by Robert Boatman:
"Texas Ranger Charlie Miller was minding his own business
when a concerned citizen came up to him, noted the hammer
cocked back on the big 1911 dangling from the ranger's belt
and asked, "Isn't that dangerous?" Charlie replied, "I wouldn't
carry the SOB if it wasn't dangerous.' "
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Tom,
Thanks for the information. I just figured that If the answer was out there, you would know it. So the SAS and Col. Jeff Cooper all agree on condition 1, and the SAS use one less in the mag to save on the spring tension. I think I have it now. Appreciate all the digging that everyone did.
Mike