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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: PsychoSword on August 20, 2005, 06:17:22 AM
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For once in the past couple years I have a few bucks to spare. I've got an MK9 that I use as a carry gun. I've had it for about a year now and pocket carry it everyday. I'd like to buy an R9s, but I can't get over the aluminum frame. I really, really, really want a stainless frame. Any chance in the somewhat near future we'll see one?
Convince me why the couple ounces tradeoff is worth getting an aluminum frame over a stainless one. 8)
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>>Because being a few more ounces lighter than your normal BUG or CC - you may be inclided to wear it even just a little bit more often than normal, and that might save your life...TW<<
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For the size of the R9, it is the ideal weight. It is propotioned perefectly. :)
Once you hold a R9, and tote it around for a day or so, you get used to the benefit of a light powerful carry piece.
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You don't want to fly in a all steel airplane & ya don't want to tote around an all steel gun every day! ::) :P 8)
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Newt - that is good - I need to write that one down.
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Psycho -- convince me why a stainless frame is better than aluminum alloy? Are you going to shoot it enough to beat up an alloy frame? I tend to doubt it.
I don't see an all stainless R-9 in Rohrbaugh's future -- its not consistent with their mission. There is, however, at least one all stainless frame in existance from the prototype days -- I saw it at the factory.
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I own a R9S and I wouldn't mind an all-steel model ... I think that it would help with the recoil. I also wouldn't mind a SLIGHTLY larger model -- say the size of a PPK ... that was +P rated.
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I had alloy frames in my carry pieces for years. I've also shot a Colt Lightweight Commander for target and fun for years. No problems with thousands of rounds fired. For serious carry I have a Kimber Ultra carry and have put a 1000+ rounds throught it with no problems. The only alloy frames that I have had problems with has been with the S&W autos. I had a .40S&W that cracked at the slide stop.
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Backup - welcome :)
If the R9 had been made with stainless thru and thru - I would still have got one - and for me personally - I do not mind weight much at all.
That aside - we need to remember that the R9 was produced to be both small and narrow - and - lowest weight possible concomitant with strength. In that is has succeeded brilliantly.
As also has been mentioned, this is not a gun for countless thousands of rounds - it is purpose made to suit the pocket for carry and be available in extremis. It fits a definite niche.
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Weight is a big deal to alot of folks carrying a piece all day long, day after day. Thats one reason why the R9 has an alloy frame.
Tom
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I would not have purchased an R9 if it were a heavy gun.
Kahr made a little nine some time ago, nice but to heavy for me to have in a pocket.
The R9 is light, and narrow. I took the R9 apart last night, and the frame alone is very light. Real nice.
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Psycho -- convince me why a stainless frame is better than aluminum alloy? Are you going to shoot it enough to beat up an alloy frame? I tend to doubt it.
I don't see an all stainless R-9 in Rohrbaugh's future -- its not consistent with their mission. There is, however, at least one all stainless frame in existance from the prototype days -- I saw it at the factory.
I want to buy it. ;D
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Psycho:
And I would like to buy that original pair of aluminum grips which adorned the prototype R9 and now reside, I believe, in the company safe. I doubt that either one of us has the proverbial snowball's chance . . . .
:P
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Yes -- I think you both have the same chance of getting what you want... ;)
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That would be about the same odds of me, "Being right', in an argument with my Wife ! ::).............or any female, for that matter. ;)
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Hehe RJ - you obviously therefore have total command of the ''yes dear'' approach LOL! ;D
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RJ isn't the only one!
Mike
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Well, I have been happily married for five years now, the other 45 have been, well, something else. ;D
But over the years I have become smarter, and realize there are some questions you just NEVER ask, ......or answer..
Just the other day I asked my Sweety, if she was mad at me for something, as she had been acting strange all day. She said," Yes, she was, but had forgotten what it was !" ;D
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When I wake up in the morning, I just assume I'm in trouble and act accordingly. I never ask what and never admit to anything less I confess to something that I have already gotten away with!
Example - Q- Did you use my car?
A- No! Absolutely not!
Q- Oh it looked cleaner, I thought you may have taken it to the car wash.
A- Oh That. I forgot. I did that the other day.....!
First rule of an urban Guerrilla - Never break cover!
Mike
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You have it !! ;D
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Other general rules of thumb: it is easier[sometimes]
to apologize than to ask permission; try to avoid
asking questions where "no" is a possible answer.
And, finally, in reference to above, one of my favorite
bumper stickers seen on the car of a female driver in
Houston: "Yes, but not with you."
Women tend to drive men to guns.
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Next year will mark 25yrs of marriage to the same woman and I told her I would take her to Hawaii. Then I told her I would come back in a year to pick her up. ;D
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Newt
**Trip to Hawaii.
I have that written down as a "will try"..
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I would LOVE to buy one of these excellent pistols, but I can't, as they are not sold in my state. (MA.) In fact, I was planning on getting a 1911, but if I could but one of these babies, the 1911 would be by the wayside!! This would be the be all and end all of a carry pistol for me!
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Spvwolfy, I am a dealer and might be able to help you. Please e-mail me at tomswatson@sbcglobal.net Regards, Tom
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I'm one of those in the minority who would buy an all stainless R9 in a minute if it were available.
I might also keep the aluminum version, but an all stainless would be very nice to have in my opinion. It would be stronger/more durable which might mean that +P ammo could be used if so desired. It would have a bit less recoil. It would not wear as quickly, especially at the frame rails. Ultimately, you could shoot it more and it would last longer. It could be used as your practice gun and the aluminum version could be used as your carry gun. Both could then be handed down to your son someday.
Maybe the extra strength/durability wouldn't be an issue in reality since you likely wouldn't shoot it THAT much anyway, but the peace of mind would be nice. As to the extra weight, I don't think it would make a huge difference for carry, especially if carried in a waistband holster, which is a better way to carry a pistol in my opinion.
Anyway, it's not likely to be made. Probably about 2 years ago, long before they started actual production of the R9, I had asked Eric if they would make an all stainless version, or perhaps a titanium frame version. He said he doubted a titanium frame, but they were definitely going to make an all stainlees steel version eventually, after the aluminum frame version was in production for awhile. He took my name and number and promised to let me know when they would be available.
Then, about a year ago, Eric told me that the all stainless version was not going to happen. Probably not enough demand for it. If enough people ask though, who knows... :)
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All stainless Rohrbaugh or titanium frame. Or a titanium framed Kahr. Those are my dream carry guns.
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When my wife asks if I used her car, I reply that I took it out to put gas in it for her, which is believable because I frequently do. Not that she minds me taking her car.
I have a theory on the +P restriction. I wonder if the pistol is perfectly fine with +P, but Rohrbaugh is worried about shooters hurting themselves due to the extra recoil and sueing them. Just a wild guess.
As to the frame material, how about carbon fiber! Much stronger and lighter than steel or aluminum. Slide too, that would be sooooo cool!
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Jim - I do in fact think the requirement for std ammo is actually a basic one.
Remember the freebore issue, which can make the odd tumbler happen. Well that is there as a means to help let that max pressure spike dissipate just a tad, before rifling is engraved at which point friction comes in to play.
9mm is necessarily a high pressure round and so while I am pretty sure the pup would digest a lot of +P without being seriously compromized - it would not be wise.
Thinking too with engineering in general - a ''factor of safety'' of five is common with material stresses so as to stay well within safe limits - and so +P would almost certainly not be unsafe - it would tho ''beat up'' the gun harder, even to include the pin perhaps being taken beyond its limit.
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Jim - I do in fact think the requirement for std ammo is actually a basic one.
Thinking too with engineering in general - a ''factor of safety'' of five is common with material stresses so as to stay well within safe limits - and so +P would almost certainly not be unsafe - it would tho ''beat up'' the gun harder, even to include the pin perhaps being taken beyond its limit.
You may very well be right. Only the Rohrbaugh folks know for sure. Rest assured, I have no intention of testing my theory or yours! Standard pressure ammo works for me.