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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: WatchTimes on January 14, 2006, 11:50:37 PM
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OK now I feel like a total tool but I can't get this dang thing back together!
I have the spring in right, the barrel has to be in right as it says 9 mm on the side that shows
Whenever I try and get it lined up the pin wont go all the way through???
I can see through the hole so I have to be lined up right???
I am just at wits end as I have been trying this for 20 min and its not an easy process with this strong spring.
I try getting in place and am using a tooth brush I have to hold the slide open when I get the holes lined up.
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UGGGG
OK so I finally get the pin through and now the slide is back about 1/8 in
There is an open gap between the rear of the barrel and firing pin part of the slide if this helps tell what the heck I am doing wrong
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That open gap bothered me too if I understand you correctly
but I think that is normal. Have you tried cycling the slide to
confirm the reassembly? An 1/8 of an inch may be a bit much
but there is a gap there nonetheless.
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JYogi, this may be the same thing that happened to me.
The problem was that the pin must be pushed all the way through the hole, where you can't even see it on the left side, because the slide will cover it.
Bill
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Michi
I just figured that out when reading the cleaning threads...
Boy do I feel stupid now!
Either way this isnt one easy pup to put back together with just hands.
I did not venture into taking the grips off yet. A little nervous about going there... Heck, I still have my local smith give my HK P7M8 a total take down cleaning once a year as Im too nervous Im not gonna get it back together hahah.
This was my first cleaning.
Only about 35 rds through her so far.
Thanks!
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Don't be too discouraged. I had a devil of a time putting mine together, and was on the verge of throwing it out the window.
After doing it twice, that little bit of practice makes it much easier to do. I have no reservations about it now.
I use Channel Lock pliers, which make it pretty easy to put the spring into position.
Of course, you need something to hold the slide back the right amount so the pin will go in.
Don't give up. It will be fine.
Bill
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It will get better every time you take it down!! ;)
I am not "mechanically" inclined and I can do it :o
I actually did it about a 1/2 dozen times to get the hang of it.. :)
RJs tool helps to keep it at the right spot for pin positions,but you can hold it by hand for a short time as needed too.. ;)
Good job,next time will be easier!! ::)
Brenden
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Try this it helped me. Take the pistol right side down and put muzzle end of the slide against a non marring counter top, or similar edge that is rock solid. You have to position the slide, barrel, and recoil assy. so that everything clears when you push against the edge of the table. The slide will go back until you can line up the holes so you can put the pin in. This way you can control and hold the pistol exactly where you want it.
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If the pin is pushed too far in, it tends to drag on the inside of the slide.. If the factory would machine a slight radius on both ends of the pin, the contact would be minimized.
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I know how tricky it can be but - one thing that does need attention with pin replacement is the barrel lug slot relationship - this can mean some jiggling.
I don't know how many have seen the PDF I did of Eric's stills (http://www.thingameez.com/download-pdf/r9-eric-stills.pdf) (1.9Mb) - but this may help, and/or the vids of my own approach - Disassemble (http://www.thingameez.com/vid-download/r9-reassemble-lr.wmv) and Reassemble (http://www.thingameez.com/vid-download/r9-reassemble-hr.wmv) 2.0Mb and 4.2 Mb respectively.
There is not perhaps a single definitve method becayse we have different size hands, facilities, strength etc. But for sure, after some practice it does get MUCH easier, even if still fiddly at times.
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JYogi,
I felt the same way about the P-7 but am now very comfortable with it--much easier than a 1911.
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Thanks to everyone for all the advice.
I just did not have the pin through far enough.
I thought it was something with the barrel and wiggling it but I just needed to give the pin a small whack and it was all good.
I was honestly worried about doing damage to this but its perfect again!
She has about 35 rds through her with no issues (only 35 rds and I have had her 6 mths haha)
I just like to make sure I can do what I need to do with her.
Friends try and shoot her and whine about it feeling like its gonna jump out of their hands, it may feel that way a little but I just dont want any skater tape or anything which could cause sticking or impair me getting it out of my pocket. I know if I shoot her and she needs to be shot (ie bad guy coming) that the least of my worries is her feeling like shes gonna jump outta my hand as Im sure I will be squeezing her so tight my knuckles will be white and the inned palm will have her imprint deeply into it from the pressure.
I think people have a hard time understanding some guns you buy as they are ideal carry guns and will run like a champ but are not a pleasure to shoot at the range. My friends think I am crazy spending this much for a gun to carry and not just blast at the range yet they will drop 3G plus for a 1911 which they will not carry... (OK so I have a couple 3G 1911's but I carry em damn it!)
I have only put 124 gr Speer Gold Dot through her. Is there something better for me to use as CCW ammo?
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JYogi,
I've used a variety of ammo and it seemed to make no difference to my R9S.
I've heard the folks at the factory are using Winchester Silver Tips.
My current carry ammo is Magsafe Defender. It is their lowest 9mm recoil load.
Of course, it passed my brief function testing. You don't want to shoot too much because it is very expensive.
Bill
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Triple 0 Buck is good for defense. Seriously, you might look at the MagSafe or Glaser stuff for actual carry. It's expensive but devastating, and recoil is greatly reduced. Trauma surgeons HATE it!
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Great minds think alike, huh Bill?
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Right on, twostar.
Well, you know, I have read where other folks called the Magsafe rounds "devastating".
They seem to be rather highly regarded.
I'm going to carry each bunch for maybe six months, and then fill up with new ones.
I was glad to see that you like them, too.
Bill
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JYogi:
I've been using skateboard tape on my R9S for several months now with absolutely no issues. The gun can't hang up while drawing. Don't see how it could, really. Tape on the front- and backstraps will be covered by your hand when you "grab onto the handle". Ditto for the sides of the grip - though I don't use any tape on the sides.
I have strong hands, but the gun is small and tends to get slippery from the lubricants used on the innards.
Some day after my gun gets beat up-looking from daily carry I'll send it off to Robar for stippling and refinishing with their NP3 or Rogard finish. I wish Rohrbaugh offered stippling or checkering as an option.
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Steve - I do think one day they will offer stippling/chequering - but for short term future it is all about guns out the door I think! :)
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Twostar & Michigunner,
I don't want to get into a big argument about which round is the best for self defense carry, but the Glaser & Magsafe ammo is not well regarded by the FBI, Dr. Martin Fackler, or Duncan MacPherson.
The FBI study I'm referring to is:
Firearms Tactical Institute
Work of the U.S. Government; not subject to copyright in the United States.
Web Site Index and Navigation Center
U.S. Department of Justice
Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness
Special Agent UREY W. PATRICK
FIREARMS TRAINING UNIT
FBI ACADEMY
QUANTICO, VIRGINIA
July 14, 1989
From page 5:
Mechanics of Handgun Wounding
All handgun wounds will combine the components of penetration, permanent cavity, and temporary cavity to a greater or lesser degree. Fragmentation, on the other hand, does not reliably occur in handgun wounds due to the relatively low velocities of handgun bullets. Fragmentation occurs reliably in high velocity projectile wounds (impact velocity in excess of 2000 feet per second) inflicted by soft or hollow point bullets.10 In such a case, the permanent cavity is stretched so far, and so fast, that tearing and rupturing can occur in tissues surrounding the wound channel which were weakened by fragmentation damage.11,12 It can significantly increase damage13 in rifle bullet wounds.
Since the highest handgun velocities generally do not exceed 1400-1500 feet per second (fps) at the muzzle, reliable fragmentation could only be achieved by constructing a bullet so frangible as to eliminate any reasonable penetration. Unfortunately, such a bullet will break up too fast to penetrate to vital organs. The best example is the Glaser Safety Slug, a projectile designed to break up on impact and generate a large but shallow temporary cavity. Fackler, when asked to estimate the survival time of someone shot in the front mid-abdomen with a Glaser slug, responded, "About three days, and the cause of death would be peritonitis."14 (My emphasis - SS.) In cases where some fragmentation has occurred in handgun wounds, the bullet fragments are generally found within one centimeter of the permanent cavity. "The velocity of pistol bullets, even of the new high-velocity loadings, is insufficient to cause the shedding of lead fragments seen with rifle bullets."15 It is obvious that any additional wounding effect caused by such fragmentation in a handgun wound is inconsequential.
Of the remaining factors, temporary cavity is frequently, and grossly, overrated as a wounding factor when analyzing wounds.16 Nevertheless, historically it has been used in some cases as the primary means of assessing the wounding effectiveness of bullets.
Dr. Fackler, a former U.S. Military trauma surgeon, is one of the foremost wound experts in the world. Duncan MacPherson is a real rocket scientist who worked with Dr. Fackler on the math / physics behind the wounding mechanisms that Dr. Fackler observed in his medical practice. MacPherson wrote THE seminal text on the subject, Bullet Penetration Modeling the Dynamics and Incapacitation Resulting from Wound Trauma. I finally got a copy. It's a mathematically rigerous study, and tough reading for someone who graduated from engineering school in 1965. Basically it discounts most of what we read from the gun magazines, and debunks "kinetic energy dump", "hydrostatic shock", Taylor K.O. formula, Sanow's works. All the relatively easy-to- understand intuitive stuff. ???
Anyway, as I said earlier, I don't want to get into a big wrangle over this stuff. And I did carry Glaser Safety Slugs as the first two rounds iin my magazines. Then I read some b.s. in a couple of magazines that convinced me to study the available literature and sort the wheat from the chaff. Draw your own conclusions......
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It has long struck me Steve that anything overly frangible is not gonna be that useful.
I always accept that a HP might ''clog'' with fabric but even so the bullet will achieve something like useful penetration.
I have heard ''rave'' reviews about ultra light Zn bullets but frankly - I'll stick to what I have confidence in - as well as pretty much using stuff the legal eagles can't call anything too evil!!
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Steve,
You got me concerned now. I'll have to think more about this important topic.
Thanks for posting that.
I was a little worried about not using common, ordinary ammunition.
Bill
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Personally, I am not overly concerned with carrying "ball" ammo at the moment!! :o
I am currently experiencing snow and ice..
Everyone is wearing HEAVY coats..
Therefore,ball may penetrate and work fine..
Of course I would not worry about HPs either..
If the don't expand or open properly,I am sure they will not go unoticed by the BG.. ;)
I know that I would not want to stand in front of either,no matter if I was wearing 2 jackets and 3 sweaters!! ;D
This being said-my pup has STHPs in at the moment and my G26 has WWB 115 "ball".. :D
Brenden