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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: Fud on April 13, 2006, 10:02:02 AM
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Does anyone know if any of the new Rohrbaughs that were introduced at the ShotShow are available yet? Specificly the self-lubracating ones?
Also, will we see any new models released prior to the next ShotShow?
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I would like to know Alan if they started sending out new R9s with the G-10 grips since I thought the carbon fiber grips were about done. If so would like to see a posted picture of one.
I'm with you Alan - when the new black R9 with the self lubing coating slide comes out I might have to go with R9 number three - hear that Tom.
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Alan and Dave, the last I heard, the carbon fiber grips are still in the mix and the black one is down the line a bit. The silver one didn't make the cut.
Tom
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The silver one didn't make the cut.
Tom:
Say it isn't so! :(
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If I remember right with last chat with Eric - the last CF grips were being used up and they were waiting on supplies of the new G-10 versions. How that equates to output I am not sure.
The silver frame was as Eric put it - not greeted with great excitement at ShotShow - he was struggling to note good comments on the fingers of one hand! I reckon too - with the prob's they had in past getting just the quite quality of finish - this is a wise decision.
Black slides supposedly are some months away. As to the S&W treatment - forget exactly but I seem to remember that treated guns were in the offing - just not sure of time frame.
That's best I can recall right now.
Oh near forgot - the engraving will not I think be a major offering either - but daresay something they'd arrange for interested parties.
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Black slides supposedly are some months away. As to the S&W treatment - forget exactly but I seem to remember that treated guns were in the offing - just not sure of time frame.
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Chris - are black slides and the S&W treatment two different options. I thought if the slide is black it was coated by S&W.
I'm in no hurry. I still have to be able to pay Tom when he tells me my Seecamp LWS.380 is in.
Dave
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Dave - I have to admit I cannot be sure here - I do mentally link the black slide with S&W treatment but will have to check with Eric on this when I next chat with him.
Hopefully I can get an update on info soon. Hate bothering the guy as they are so busy, so must choose my time carefully.
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I understand now why Rohrbaugh said they would void my warranty if put Black T on my gun. They don't want a competing product that has better lubricity characteristics "shooting down" their chosen self-lubricating finish. I have spoken to Walter Birdsong about the finish that will be put on future Rohrbaughs, and he is familiar with it. Walter is a class act, and had nothing but nice things to say about the other finish, but confidently stands by his position that Black T is superior to anything available in terms of corrosion resistance and lubricity. Its uses around the world in vital defense applications tell me all I need to know. Its use in prototype guns by multiple gun manufacturers for the new government .45 contract with a mandatory "dry carry" capability is also strong evidence of which finish is superior.
My R9s goes to Birdsong next week for the finish job...stay tuned.
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Clyde,
I don't know anything about either finish or voiding
the warranty for whatever reason; it seems to me
that you are jumping to some conclusions that have
thin substance.
Nobody would disagree with your right to put any
finish you want on your property. Why make this
such an issue?
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I don't think he;s making a big issue out of it and I commend his willingness to take this semirisky step that could benifit all. I still have'nt mustered the courage to get the front and back grip strap stippled on one of my R9's.
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How can it benefit all?
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I think Newt means that Clyde is being a pioneer by going first -- to see how it works -- and paving the way for others who want a refinish.
I don't think Rohrbaugh would take a position that it would void your warranty unless they thought it could be a problem. I don't think it was to protect their marketshare in a product not yet available...
Futhermore, I think they mean that they are not going to fix your gun under warranty if the new finish causes a problem with operation -- afterall, the tolerances are very tight. I am sure if something breaks unrelated to the new finish that they would make it right.
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Perhaps I am overlooking the obvious, but there are a number of places in the R9 that must be lubricated properly with grease, as shown in the sticky post.
I feel certain that just having a coated slide cannot "self-lubricate" the entire gun. Presumably, there will still be lube requirements necessary for the longevity and reliabie functioning of the gun.
That being said, I do think that the black finish will be complimentary to the appearance of the R9
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Chatted with Eric yesterday - let me see if I can remember things properly.
The S&W treatment for the frames seems to be going OK and these will be coming along in near future to market. The S&W slide treatment turned out to not be as durable as hoped for and so black slides are likely to be another treatment black which is tougher - those may appear summer to fall region.
The G-10 grips are also fairly imminent - there were a few more CF grip panels left than I had thought but they will soon be gone. Eric sounded quite pleased with the look of the G-10's - there will still be the 40 thou taper bottom to top we are used to.
There is also a limited edition of ''something'' - 600 run IIRC, which also is likely to appear summer/fall region - there's no more can be said about that right now.
Looks like CF grips may still be available as special options in future if requested - with of course a price increase to match.
I was curious re the ratio of demand for the sighted vs unsighted gun. Turns out the sighted is the big winner by far and the unsighted slide will cease - although for a fee when remaining sightless slides are gone - Rohrbaugh will machine a sighted slide to suit no sights.
I think that is about it for a current update.
Oh - near forgot - there will be a version they are choosing to call the ''Stealth'' R9 which will be a very black frame, with black slide of course - darn it, I forget the fine details on that right now. I think this is Black compared with the very dark anodized ''black'' that mostly comes out now. May have to check on that again.
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Chris, thanks for the report on the near future.
Tom
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What perterbs me slightly is that when I inquired about adding Black T to the Rohrbaugh, I was summarily told in definitive terms by Rohrbaugh management that it would void the warranty on my gun. They did not advise it, and suggested that it would adversely affect the proper operation of the gun. Funny, in talking to Walter Birdsong, never in his extensive experience with guns from almost every gun manufacturer has his finish done anything but enhance the performance, maintenance, durability, etc. of any gun. Never has Black T had adverse affects. The S&W slide treatment that is approved by Rohrbaugh management for future use is 3 times thicker than Black T. I understand that Rohrbaugh cannot test every gun coating known to man, but they specifically asked me what the treatment was called and the mil thickness of it. Legally speaking, I suppose they would have to prove that the coating caused the problem. In the mean time, they would simply refuse my work and return my gun to me (so they say). I only worry about some defect in materials or workmanship that could crop up that would be the fault of Rohrbaugh in the first place...for that I should be covered, but was told I won't be.
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They are very picky about the specs on the slides -- when I asked about checkering the grip, they mentioned there was no way to re-anodize the frame and keep it in spec -- they really are quite reasonable, at least in all my contact w. them -- they're so far behind on trying to keep up on orders, I really doubt they're concerned about losing business to a refinishing company.
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What is the G10 grip made from?
Any word on a stainless steel frame model?
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Psycho - I do not know the exact chemistry but G-10 as I understand it is a fiberglass-epoxy material - which by all accounts is very machinable. It is moulded under heat and pressure to produce the main form and pigment addition determines color. It is also referred to as a phenolic laminate.
Tech data here - http://cryogenics.nist.gov/NewFiles/G10_CR.html and here - http://www.boedeker.com/ilamg_p.htm
Stainless frame? Right now I doubt this is even on the horizon - well, as best I can tell.
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Put me down as someone wanting an all stainless model as well. Already got the original lite-weight for special occasions now I want a more durable / heavier / stronger model for every day carry.
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All I want is a stainless frame and a rubber grip. Stipling would be nice, but that's easy enough to deal with, with skateboard tape.
You could practice with a stainless frame gun more often and not feel so bad about it either.
But I'd rather have the durability anyways. I have issues with Kahr, but not enough to make me pick up a Rohrbaugh in its current aluminum framed configuration. It still tempts me though from time to time.
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PS, don't just be tempted, step up and get one.
Tom
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PS, don't just be tempted, step up and get one.
Tom
Or Two.. ;)
The all black "stealth" veeeery interesting!! ;D
Brenden
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I also had issues with Kahr and gave into temptation and got the Rohrbaugh in it's current configuration but would still like one in all stainless ;D
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I called the Rohrbaugh office today to ask about any new changes occuring officially in the next 6 months like self lubricating pistol and was told that they are so back logged in orders that there is currently no changes avaliable. The G 10 is planned but not currently availiable.
Frank
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Gutter sights would be nice, too!
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What perterbs me slightly is that when I inquired about adding Black T to the Rohrbaugh, I was summarily told in definitive terms by Rohrbaugh management that it would void the warranty on my gun....
I guess they don’t want anyone messing with their product, then returning it back with a sad puppy dog look on their face. Back home I have a mechanic who specializes in auto-electronics. Any car I or any of my friends/family has ever owned would get a car alarm put in by him, & he always said “Don’t let anyone else screw with the alarm!”