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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: sebis on September 25, 2006, 01:13:10 PM
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Hello, I can't really create a poll in this forum but I wanted to ask the members how they pocket carry their R9: one in the pipe or not?
I know that not having one in the pipe could be deadly if one is found in the wrong situation. However, I can't see how I can carry the R9 chambered and not cover with the muzzle the people I face while sitting around a table.
TIA,
--Sebis
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I carry one in the pipe but you bring up another consideration;
it's just that I don't sit across the table from others very
often but if the gun is in the holster the trigger is protected.
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Always one in the pipe, or it is like carrying a rock. ;)The gun will not go off until the trigger is pulled. It is very safe. ;D
Tom
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I always carry my R9 holstered with a round in the chamber. The trigger is completely protected by the holster. As does Tom, I consider it to be absolutely safe to do so. If you still have some uneasiness for the reason you describe, you might consider carrying the pistol in your strong-side back pocket.
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I also consider it safe if the holster protects the trigger.
Bill
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One in the pipe.
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Always have a round chambered and the pistol in a quality holster that completely covers the trigger with stiff material. No problems. People do it every day.
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Sebis,
I am guessing you are new to carrying a handgun either open or conceiled. You have to have one in the pipe. Most self defense situations happen very fast and occour out of the blue. Speed kills, either you or the BG. Chances are if you ever need your pistol you are not going to be able to tell the BG, wait a second while I rack the slide.
Mike
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What everyone else said: get a good holster, keep a round chambered, and worry not. 8)
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One in the pipe, every time.
Some people have been very over conditioned to never "flag" another person with the muzzle of their weapon. This is understandable in a combat zone situation, or in an entry team. But when carrying concealed, it's nearly unworkable for me.
Can't carry strong side full holster due to clothing needs in my profession. Eliminates shoulder holster too. I'm a little too slow for ankle carry, and the thought of the 'wear the gun in a pouch under your clothes and between the legs' type of holster makes me cringe!
So I'm left w/ pocket carry, even though I "flag" people I'm sitting accross from (sometimes my own kid or wife). But the gun won't go off on it's own. I feel totally safe.
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I especially like the suggestion of a stiff holster. The structure will be there to protect the trigger, and the safety, if applicable.
My early carry attempts were without a chamber round, but I quickly saw that it was futile to take that route.
The same applies to a single-action 1911 pistol carried "cocked & locked". It looks pretty dangerous but should be perfectly safe with a high quality stiff holster.
Bill
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These are all good concerns, however, if one is going to carry there must be one in the pipe.
Tom
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And like the young policeman who replied to a lady who said
his cocked and locked 1911 looked dangerous: "Yes ma'am, it
is dangerous".
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My vote is simple ..........one in the pipe ........no BG is going to wait for you to jack the slide.
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I had an interesting thought...
If you don't carry one in the pipe, you might give up your advantage, and produce your R9 slightly ahead of when you should, given normal tactical situations...meaning, you might get a little premature, perhaps even brandishing your firearm (to get ready for a potential situation) BEFORE you really know if something horrible is definitely gonna happen.
That make any sense?
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I had an interesting thought...
If you don't carry one in the pipe, you might give up your advantage, and produce your R9 slightly ahead of when you should, given normal tactical situations...meaning, you might get a little premature, perhaps even brandishing your firearm (to get ready for a potential situation) BEFORE you really know if something horrible is definitely gonna happen.
That make any sense?
Neverheard that idea before. I hope most CCW holders would know better than to draw prematurely, but I fear that too many are lucky they never have to make that choice.
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If your "leathered" well and (Properly)..One in chamber is the ONLY way.. ;)
I am sorry-is there any other way!!
One cannot, and should not, consider pocket without a proper holster..
IMO...
Brenden
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Thank you all, I really appreciate and understand your comments. As some already noticed I am really new to carry. Hey, one year ago I never fired a firearm, I handled a pistol for the first time in April of this year and I got my permit a month ago... thanks to Katrina and Rita I am now a member NRA ;D.
Back to the topic, I am loking at a leather holster named Stingray from Pale Horse Holsters, it looks to be a quality holster that I can trust to carry properly ;) (i.e. with one in the pipe).
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We have a great amount of superb Craftsman that frequent this forum..
Some on the links page, others are available easily..
Hedley,Del Fatti,Graham.Manley(K&D),many more!! ;D
There are so MANY choices available!! :)
Remember-you just can't have one!! 8)
Brenden
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sebis,
Forgot to add-GREAT JOB on joining the NRA!!! 8)
This is how we go forward..
Thanks for coming into the fold!!
Brenden
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Good on you Sebis; glad to have you onboard--that was a good question. I think what we are all trying to say is that
CCW is a very serious matter, it is not a trip to the range, and
there is no compromise when your life is at stake.
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CCW is a way of thinking, a lifestyle, a way of life. I also think it is a hassle. I have carried daily for almost 20 years and I would not carry if we lived in a safe world. One thing I find stupid is the same people that do not want to punish the criminal do not want you to be able to legally carry a gun. Happy shooting!
~Always one in the chamber.
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Hey, one year ago I never fired a firearm, I handled a pistol for the first time in April of this year and I got my permit a month ago... thanks to Katrina and Rita I am now a member NRA ;D.
Wow, some good from Katrina and Rita!
Since you're new, let me just suggest that in addition to learning how to carry safely that you also learn when the use of lethal force is authorized. I don't know which state you're in, so maybe they required a course. If not, let me respectfully suggest that you look into that matter. If you need source materials let us know and we can recomend some.
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Sebis:
As Brenden notes, you should also check out the gunleather artwork from R. J. Hedley, Kevin Manley, and Matt Del Fatti, all of whom are supporters of this Forum.
http://hedleyholsters.com/
http://www.kdholsters.com/
http://www.delfatti.com/
And welcome to the Forum and to the CCW community. Stay safe, and always remember the rules formulated by the immortal Colonel Jeff Cooper.
http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/safetyrules.html
Cooper's Rule II addresses your original question as follows:
"A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern."
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Sebis, welcome to the forum and the NRA. Enjoy your pup and the carry life.
Tom
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Always - stacked, stoked, and ready to strike! Remember that the 4 rules of gun handling are just that - intended for handling, recognizing that human frailty can result in an unintended discharge due to error. Technically, a holstered gun, even pointed at another, is not being 'handled', and is an inert object until a force is applied to it allowing it to function as intended, IMO. You, and those around you, will be fine with a properly secured handgun.
And if it still bothers you - consider back pocket carry!!!
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As imporant as HOW to shoot is WHEN to shoot.
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Ahmen! :D Carry it LOADED. Its not a singleaction, and this aint the army! ;D
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You have to have confidence in the gun that you carry. If you are not confident with carrying one in the pipe, don't carry that gun and carry on that you DO have confidence in carrying one in the pipe.
I didn't have confidence in carrying my MK9 with one in the pipe ...
(http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f34.jpg)
... so I got rid of it and bought a Colt Pocket Nine and a Rohrbaugh R9S ...
(http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f162.jpg)
... no lack of confidence with carrying either of those with one in the pipe ;)
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I didn't have confidence in carrying my MK9 with one in the pipe ...
Can I ask what was wrong with the MK9?
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I have an MK9 Elite and I always carry one in the
pipe with confidence. My MK9 has been 100 %
reliable with anything I've ever fed it. It's my most
carried piece.
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I have an MK9 Elite and I always carry one in the
pipe with confidence. My MK9 has been 100 %
reliable with anything I've ever fed it. It's my most
carried piece.
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Can I ask what was wrong with the MK9?
As I said, a person has to have confidence in their CCW. I have nearly a quarter of a century experience with TDA/SA autoloaders. For me, an autoloader equates to having a manual safety ... OR ... a heavy trigger pull as found on DA revolvers. The Kahr just had too light of a trigger pull to make me feel comfortable.
Some people feel uncomfortable with a cocked & locked 1911. I'm not one of them but a Glock or a Kahr with a light trigger makes ME uneasy. I'm use to safeties or heavy trigger pulls.
Guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
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Not sure if the MK Elite is different but it has a
long & heavy trigger pull and is DA only.
I would compare it to my Sig P239 SAS trigger.
I agree on the Glocks, too light. I guess that's why
there are so many choices out there <G>.
Steve
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I was surprised to hear someone else say the Kahr trigger pull was too light.
I felt exactly that way about my Kahr PM9. That is the reason I sold it, along with my Glock 36 (.45 Auto).
Bill
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Steve, I do greatly admire the MK9 Elite. It is an attractive and very desireable gun.
Bill
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Bill,
Did you say the Glock 36 trigger pull was too light? If so,
there is the NY trigger. I like the 36--very accurate.
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tracker,
I had the NY-1 trigger installed, but then it seemed too hard.
Sometimes, you just can't win.
I greatly admire the Glock design and read two of the most popular books telling the whole Glock story. It was fun to understand details about the major new design.
While applying Militec-1 to the pistol, followed by the usual hair dryer treatment, I made the mistake of getting an overdose on the outside of the slide. That made the whole thing ultra slippery.
Anyway, I still followed the wise guidelines from Mr. Teddy Jacobson and purchased his other 45 compact choice: HK USP Compact .45. It had the extra little bit of snob factor that I was looking for. :D
Lately, I've come to enjoy the thin profile of a 1911, and find that it hides away nicely IWB with the Summer Special II.
Changing the subject, a friend of mine is an inspector on 747 aircraft maintenance. He plans on letting me climb up and sit in the cockpit.
It will be embarrassing if I start making airplane sounds.
Bill
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Not sure if the MK Elite is different but it has a
long & heavy trigger pull and is DA only.
I would compare it to my Sig P239 SAS trigger.
I agree on the Glocks, too light. I guess that's why
there are so many choices out there <G>.
Steve
Steve, I have the 239SAS with the DAK trigger ...
(http://fud-files.netfirms.com/image/private/guns/f157.jpg)
... and the pull on my MK9 was MUCH lighter. Can speak about how it compares to the Elite model.
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Bill,
If you get the 747 seat deal, just think about taking the
escape rope and crawling out the pilot's overhead escape
hatch and then depending on the inertia reel to stop your
descent just prior to ground contact.
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:D tracker, no thanks. I'd rather eat a foul substance.
Bill
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That was my feeling also but if you had terrorists shooting
in the cabin you might want to take that ride and turn that
beautiful flying beast into a building.
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There a lot of Guests here.
I like to see what they find and look.
IMO this is a good Nubie Bump