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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: WatchTimes on October 14, 2007, 04:19:35 PM
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OK
Had my Rohrbaugh to my Gunsmith Ned Christensen for a check over, cleaning etc etc. (Ned is very well known and has written for SWAT and other mags like that if you guys dont know the name)
Anyway, he sent me an Email asking me if I shoot that thing a ton or something? I told him no, I was under 150 rds through it total and its always been the Speer Gold Dot I was told to shoot when I bought it why? He told me "The locking abutment on the barrel and locking recess in the slide are slowly but surely shearing each other."
What should I do?
I have had the gun a couple years but rarely ever shoot it...
Any ideas, suggestions as to what to say, who to talk to, what they may say/do???
I hope this isnt going to be a problem getting resolved....
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Call Rohrbaugh firearms at 1-800-803-2233. Maria will answer the phone tell her your problem. The guns are under warranty for life to the original owner. As long as it wasn't abused. Meaning using + p ammo etc. Which you stated only gold dots.
They have helped out everyone that I have heard of to this point, including myself. John
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JYagoda,
150rds seems a little premature for this type of wear but I can tell you this, this wear is common on some R9's. It seems to stop after the initial wear. You can send it back if you want to but if you haven't had any jam problems I personally(and have done this) would not worry about it.
I have 2 R9's and they are the finest conceiled carry handgun on the planet given their size, weight, and caliber IMO.
Mike
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150rds seems a little premature for this type of wear but I can tell you this, this wear is common on some R9's. It seems to stop after the initial wear.
Really? I don't recall hearing about this type of wear before. Has it been discussed on this forum?
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harrydog,
Yes it has. It has been many, many months and I can't tell you which thread or threads it is in but it has been brought up here before.
Mike
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There is NO way in the world I will just ignore this.
If this isnt something they are able to resolve I will be selling my Rohrbaugh as I am not going to carry something that has a problem I am ignoring which could become a serious issue when I actually need the Rohrbaugh.
If this is fixed odds are I will end up buying a Elite Premium....
If I am really lucky they will let me spend a tiny bit of $ and upgrade to a slide with sights.... We shall see.
Sorry but this wear is not normal or acceptable. Ned is one of the top gunsmiths in the country, he knows whats normal and what isnt.
JYagoda,
150rds seems a little premature for this type of wear but I can tell you this, this wear is common on some R9's. It seems to stop after the initial wear. You can send it back if you want to but if you haven't had any jam problems I personally(and have done this) would not worry about it.
I have 2 R9's and they are the finest conceiled carry handgun on the planet given their size, weight, and caliber IMO.
Mike
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JYagoda,
"Sorry, but this wear is not normal or acceptable".
I am sorry you feel that way but you are incorrect in your statement that this wear is not normal. It is quite normal for some R9's and this wear has not lead to any failures of the gun to my knowlege.
I will also dispute your "top gunsmith's" opinion about what is normal and what is not. He obviously doesn't have a lot of experience with the R9 or he would know what is normal for some R9's and what is not.
Do not worry though. From all I have heard the R brothers have excellent customer service. They will try their best to satisfy you. All it will cost you is shipping, 50 or 60 bucks maybe. Definately get shipping insurance.
Good Luck and keep us informed.
Mike
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What Mike said.
If not seen before, the information at this link may be of interest:
http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/rohrbaugh/basefile/frame-wear.htm
My R9 now has 3-1/2 years of service with only recommended recoil spring changes and the original magazines, which I rotate twice a year. It has always been carefully cleaned and lubricated, and has remained totally reliable. It's in my pocket now, as usual, and I trust it completely.
Good luck with yours.
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please don't over react, just call Maria at Rohrbaugh and they will help calm you and take care of any problems. Tom
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No worries.......just gett'n broken in good. My gun shows the same wear and after some research into previous posts, it's of no concern to me anymore.
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That post was about frame wear, if you see my problems were not related to the frame...
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JYagoda,
I have the same thing happening on my R9S stealth. I have had it only a few months and about the same number of rounds. I thought it was the equivalent of the frame wear previously mentioned, but upon further inspection, you can see the actual lines from the shearing force. The lines are located in the slide's locking recess and corresponding in the top of the barrel. I also have what looks like regular frame-type wear on the sides of the slide (inside). I tried to take pictures of mine, but my camera doesn't want to show the detail necessary to depict what I am typing. Let me know what you find out when you call Rohrbaugh. I may give them a call myself. I understand that the R9 has tight tolerances, but actual removal of metal is never a good thing (especially when it costs $1000).
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This was the first thread frame wear was discussed with pictures.
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=R9S;action=display;num=1120281702;start=0
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If there is great concern on your gun call Rohrbaugh. They will take good care of you and your pup.
I got an e-mail from one of my early customers yesterday, telling me he is very happy with his R9s after shooting over 4,000 rds. This is the norm. Tom
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DVC,
Lets get a few things straight. I don't know about any best manufactured or tightest tollerances. If you will review some of my long ago posts you will see that I don't sugar coat things. I have had some severe problems with my R9's. I have also been an owner long enough to figure out what is important with this gun and what is not. If you think the R9 is a range/plinking gun you should sell it right now as it will be a dissapointment.
I know my posts always sound "harsher" they I intend. I am not trying to tweak anybody or anything like that. It is just that if you are familiar with message boards then you know that they are all cyclical in nature. The same topics come up over and over. MAYBE this type of wear is new and abnormal. I doubt it though.
Anyway, lets hear what the factory has to say about this particular wear pattern.
One good thing is that JYagoda was not complaining about any type of jam or ftf problems. Those are the only important problems with a pistol of this type anyway.
Mike
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A picture of the worn area is always helpful for the group to view also,so one can keep an eye out for anything unusual..
I too have been one that has been happy with the pup,since very early on..Just "lucky" I guess.. ;)
If there is a "new" problem with wear,the R Bros will take care of you..And please report any findings..
BTW,welcome to the forum..
Brenden
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Welcome to the Forum?
I have been here since 05, I just do not post all the time....
So far I have not had any luck in contacting R.....
I was told to contact them via an alternate method
as I am unable to get on the phone during their shop
hours and I still have yet to hear back from them.
I know they are great guys and have great customer
service and they will surely make this right....
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I talked with Maria at Rohrbaugh today with no problem by phone. Go to lunch and then call her on their 800 number. Tom
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Welcome to the Forum?
I have been here since 05, I just do not post all the time....
So far I have not had any luck in contacting R.....
I was told to contact them via an alternate method
as I am unable to get on the phone during their shop
hours and I still have yet to hear back from them.
I know they are great guys and have great customer
service and they will surely make this right....
Sorry-did not mean any offense..It had been awhile since you had posted,not sure if I had greeted you earlier..
Btw-welcome back after a 10 month hiatus of posting!! ;)
Brenden
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Tom...
Some of us work from 8-6 at least and rarely take a break to
go to the bathroom let alone a lunch break....
Its no fun trust me but between selling my condo, redoing
my house, moving a business thats just starting and a family
business we have had for 80 years which is slowing down due
to the MI economy and requires even more of my time so I
can cut costs on staff which overlaps things I can do for the
time being till the economy picks back up. In other words
I have no time and have been doing 7 days a week 9-14 hr days
for 3 mths straight...
Brenden, no offense taken but just wanted you and everyone else here
reading this post to realize I have a Rohrbaugh owner for quite some time and have been reading and studying about the Rohrbaugh for sometime... I think it is hands down the BEST CC piece for a pocket piece bar none! I just think there is an issue with mine and thats expected NO ONE can always be perfect. I am sure they will take care of it when I am able to catch up with them. I have tried an alternate means of contact and I hope it will work to rush things a little.
Thanks Everyone!
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What Mike said.
If not seen before, the information at this link may be of interest:
http://www.acbsystems.com/boards/rohrbaugh/basefile/frame-wear.htm
My R9 now has 3-1/2 years of service with only recommended recoil spring changes and the original magazines, which I rotate twice a year. It has always been carefully cleaned and lubricated, and has remained totally reliable. It's in my pocket now, as usual, and I trust it completely.
Good luck with yours.
This is frame wear that you're referring to. I'm aware of this as it has been discussed here many times. But the original post said...
"The locking abutment on the barrel and locking recess in the slide are slowly but surely shearing each other."
These are two completely different issues.
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This is frame wear that you're referring to. I'm aware of this as it has been discussed here many times. But the original post said...
"The locking abutment on the barrel and locking recess in the slide are slowly but surely shearing each other."
These are two completely different issues.
Point taken. I should have been more specific by referring to the last paragraphs of the linked material regarding the importance of precise lubrication in this pistol design:
[size=10]Let me try and describe in words - the cycle of events -
At the instant of the slide beginning rearward travel, as round fires and pressures begin to back off from peak, we have the barrel moving rearward by approx 1/4", as recoil springs are being compressed by slide - (exerting as they do said rearward force against barrel lug) - at which point the lug slot allows it to drop on the pin, and there it stays while slide continues all the way to the rear.
The slide progresses then forward, stripping a new round - which is fed into the lowered barrel and chambered, assisted by the feed ramp. The completion of the auto load is aquisition of full battery with the slide having moved fully forward, the recoil assembly is now relatively relaxed, and we see the bolt face area impinged on the round's base to complete the action.
The last 1/4" or so as around goes into battery and the slide closes, is when the lug slot then rides over the pin to lift the chamber area (barrel rear if you like) once more and go into full lock-up. This incidentally is why that lug/pin area needs lubrication. (Emphasis added.)[/size]
Without a photograph of the wear points, I'm admittedly speculating about the cause of the problem. My first thought, however, was that the pistol may have been running a little too dry. An examination of the internals of my own R9 does not show a similar problem. I would be confident that the factory could diagnose and correct the problem JY has described and hope that he will keep us informed.
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Without a photograph of the wear points, I'm admittedly speculating about the cause of the problem. My first thought, however, was that the pistol may have been running a little too dry. An examination of the internals of my own R9 does not show a similar problem. I would be confident that the factory could diagnose and correct the problem JY has described and hope that he will keep us informed.
Mine shows the frame wear which is common and self limiting but it doesn't show any barrel/slide locking lug wear. This is the first I've heard of that. I agree that lack of lube could be the cause. Thankfully this seems to be an isolated case and I'm sure it will be taken care of. :)
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JY, I just talked with Maria at Rohrbaugh a few minutes ago. She and Marc are very interested in talking with you about this problem on your R9. Call 1-800-803-2233 and leave her a message with your name and phone number and what time zone you are in so she can call you back when its best for you. She needs the serial number on your pistol. She is happy to work with you when you have a minute or two. Tom