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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: riffraff on March 17, 2008, 06:39:46 PM

Title: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: riffraff on March 17, 2008, 06:39:46 PM: Hello Group,

Well I have owned the original and the Stealth for quite a while. I have to say that I prefer the original two tone. I actually think I would probably prefer an all silver finish.

What have you other long time owners chosen as your 'favorite'?

Mike
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: mcop511 on March 17, 2008, 09:27:22 PM: I'm only a short-timer with my two Rohrbaughs having only had them about a month or so. Although I like the looks of both my two tone and Stealth, I tend to lean towards the Stealth. The all black looks a little more "business like" if that makes sense, but the main reason is the sights don't wash out as bad as the stainless does to my old eyes!
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Jack Foulard on March 17, 2008, 10:01:22 PM: Put me down for the 2 tone. I like the contrast. Since blacks are almost impossible to match I feel the 2 tone looks more finished. And it might show holster wear less on the slide but maybe some of out holster makers could chime in on where their holsters weightbear on the gun.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: ccoorreeyy on March 17, 2008, 11:02:05 PM: I have two of the two-tones and I love there looks. The one with the blue cf's looks great. I would like a stealth also just because an all black gun looks smaller. I guess I need to start saving again. :o
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 18, 2008, 12:17:56 AM: I agree that the Stealth looks... uhmm stealthy, but I think my preference in a face-off with a perp would be to have the more noticable equalizer :o. I think the flashy stainless steel would fill that role the best (I have no experience with this senario, just relying on my logic).
-Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: mcop511 on March 18, 2008, 10:22:23 AM: I do have some experience there and you are right. About 20 years ago I did a felony stop on some guys in a P/U truck that were armed. It was night and I had my strobes going and my brights and spotlight on the guys. I had one of the old Randall stainless 45s trained on them and later after they were in custody one of them commented on seeing that big ol' hole in the end of my gun pointed at them. Even with all my lights on them, he still saw the muzzle of that Randal!!! LOL!
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Richard S on March 18, 2008, 11:29:26 AM: Quote
I do have some experience there and you are right. About 20 years ago I did a felony stop on some guys in a P/U truck that were armed. It was night and I had my strobes going and my brights and spotlight on the guys. I had one of the old Randall stainless 45s trained on them and later after they were in custody one of them commented on seeing that big ol' hole in the end of my gun pointed at them. Even with all my lights on them, he still saw the muzzle of that Randal!!! LOL!

mcop511:

Great story -- and thank you for your service. The business end of a .45 shows a "big ol' hole" indeed:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/1911BusinessEndwithLaserMax.jpg)

On the topic of R9 finishes, my early issue two-tone (No. 132) still shows no visible holster wear after four years of daily carry in Hedley leather. This photograph was just taken a few minutes ago:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/RohrbaughR9No132FourYearsofUse.jpg)
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: mcop511 on March 18, 2008, 01:29:27 PM: Quote
and thank you for your service

Hey, you're very welcome Richard.

That 132 sure is a beaut! Glad to see the finishes on these guns hold up so well.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 18, 2008, 07:40:11 PM: mcop511, I echo Richard's thanks for your service. I am glad you had the last LOL in this situation. ;D

Richard, the finish on the frame of your R9 looks excellent for four years of daily pocket travel! How much do you account that to the leather holster?

Not wanting to distract people from Riffraff's original question, but thought I would ask if anybody knows of a good replacement for the Hedley holsters, since he is sadly shutting down operations:
http://hedleyholsters.com

-Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Richard S on March 19, 2008, 08:33:32 AM: Click:

A proper fitting holster makes all the difference in preserving the finish of a handgun carried on a daily basis. R. J. Hedley is one of the true pioneers of the pocket holster. I've been singing his praises for over a decade now.

K&D Holsters is a sponsor of this Forum and makes a variety of excellent holsters for the R9. You can contact Kevin ("K-Man") by PM through the Forum or by e-mail through the K&D web site:

http://www.kdholsters.com/
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 19, 2008, 07:00:03 PM: Richard, thank you for directing me to K&D Holsters the Pocket Defender Plus (with Mag Pouch) looks like an interesting solution. http://www.kdholsters.com/pdp.php
- Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 19, 2008, 07:36:01 PM: Some one on this forum cautioned against carrying an
attached mag pouch because of the added weight as
opposed to carrying a separate pouch in the opposite pocket.
To each his own but a loaded R9 is about all I want to carry
in one pocket.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 19, 2008, 07:59:07 PM: tracker, hmmm very good point. One of the big reasons to pay the premium for a Rohrbaugh is to save weight in the pocket now huh?
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 19, 2008, 08:07:45 PM: Right you are and also something I hadn't thought about is
that it may be easier to pull out the second mag from the
weak side pocket since the holster will probably remain in the
pocket after drawing the pup--just some thoughts if speed
becomes a consideration.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 19, 2008, 08:14:46 PM: tracker, that is another good point. Thanks again.
-Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Jack Foulard on March 19, 2008, 09:24:01 PM: Quote
it may be easier to pull out the second mag from the weak side pocket since the holster will probably remain in the pocket after drawing the pup.

This is the main reason that mag and pup don't belong on the same pocket. You will probably never have to use your R9 but if you do how would you get the extra mag out of the stong side pocket? It's just too difficult and un-natural. Just my thoughts.

Maybe RJ would chime in on his thoughts and why hea hasn't and probably won't develop such a holster setup.

YMMV
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Brenden on March 20, 2008, 12:26:01 AM: I carry my extra mag in my "weak"side pocket.IMO it does' not belong in the same pocket as the pup..

RJ has commented on this type of holster earlier in the forum,he is not a proponent if I remember correctly. ;)
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: harrydog on March 20, 2008, 08:12:58 AM: I really can't see why anyone would want that type of pocket holster. It just makes no sense.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 20, 2008, 08:31:22 AM: Inexperience perhaps? Speaking for myself, I am moving into the world of carry for the first time and am trying to sort out what to carry where. I had to evict the tenants from my strong pocket who have been there for several decades to make room for this new neighbor. The old tenants are saying the new guy on the block can't store his junk in their now over crowded weak pocket. :-/

That is why I appreciate this forum so much. You guys spared me from buying that "mag pocket" holster to only discover that my spare magazine would be out of reach when I most need it.
-Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Richard S on March 20, 2008, 11:47:12 AM: Click:

Welcome to the CCW community! After a while, you'll become so accustomed to carrying a weapon that you'll feel lopsided without it. ;)
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 20, 2008, 07:39:56 PM: Richard, Thanks for the welcome into the CCW community.
-Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: mcop511 on March 20, 2008, 08:14:41 PM: Click, good luck with your start into CCW. It's a fascinating way of life that may one day save your life or someone elses.

If there were more CCW holders out there my job might be a little easier. There would DEFINITELY be fewer victims out there!
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 20, 2008, 08:15:56 PM: Click,
You have a fine, deft touch with the written word; may I
also add my welcome. It appears you have a lot to contribute
to this forum
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Click177 on March 20, 2008, 08:38:11 PM: mcop, tracker, Tks for the kind words and encouragement.

Perhaps I should start a new thread to ask this question so as to not detract from Riffraff's original intent (I like the two tone R9s ;D), but I have been wondering if the good guy in a shootout often gets mistaken for the bad guy by other good guys with CCWs, then is mistakenly taken out. I would imagine a plain clothes officer is exposed to the same risk... Or am I just thinking too much :-/
-Click
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Richard S on March 20, 2008, 09:03:39 PM: Quote
mcop, tracker, Tks for the kind words and encouragement.

Perhaps I should start a new thread to ask this question so as to not detract from Riffraff's original intent (I like the two tone R9s ;D), but I have been wondering if the good guy in a shootout often gets mistaken for the bad guy by other good guys with CCWs, then is mistakenly taken out. I would imagine a plain clothes officer is exposed to the same risk... Or am I just thinking too much :-/

-Click

Click:

You're definitely not thinking too much; you're thinking as you should about the responsibilities and consequences attendant to carrying a weapon and using it in self defense. My advice would be to read everything you can lay your hands on which has been written by Massad Ayoob on the subject.

And, back on topic, I like the original two-toned R9 -- but those Steath models are really impressive. :-/
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: grayfeathers on March 20, 2008, 09:04:20 PM: I have the Pale horse Bombay, very similer. I allready have all my other pocket stuff in my weak side pocket, thats why that type of holster works for me. With the heel mag. release I have to put the r-9 in my weak hand to release it anyway.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: harrydog on March 21, 2008, 12:03:51 AM: Quote
With the heel mag. release I have to put the r-9 in my weak hand to release it anyway.
You do? Why?
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: grayfeathers on March 21, 2008, 10:41:50 AM: I am a fumble-fingers with my weak hand and find it easier to work the button with my strong hand.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 22, 2008, 01:00:17 AM: This is something I haven't thought much about but after
trying it a few different ways i will conlude my thoughts:
1. strong side pocket holster only
2. weak side magazine

I tried the magazine release with my weak side index finger
and it is just a flicker; i am no superman and this just seems
to be facile and instinctive. If you already own an integrated
holster and magazine, so be it.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: riffraff on March 22, 2008, 08:03:53 PM: Tracker,

This thread is not directed at you, it is rather a statement about all the posts on this topic.

Guys, the s*** has not hit the fan yet. If you guys actually ever load your extra magazine there is a good chance you will be faceing charges. IMO you have seen to many movies. An 'extra mag.' is something that you just ain't gonna need. I don't want to hear any rebuttals. If you really believe you are going to need more shots than what the R9 holds, you are probably in the 'black helicopter/ bunker mentality' crowd. These are my opinions and I don't care to hear any rebuttals. You can of course post whatever you wish. It is still a free country(barely).

Mike
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: BytorJr on March 22, 2008, 09:10:25 PM: Riffraff,

Why do you think carrying an extra magazine will get you in trouble? Do you have any legal justification for this? I mean, as in a friend or associate having had this charge? Or have you read about it?

I'm curious to know; because I've never heard this discussed in any CHL/CWL class I've had, and I've taken them in two states; mind you, both gun friendly. I've got too much crap in my pockets to carry an extra mag, so I'm strictly asking for legality type purposes.

Thanks.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: riffraff on March 22, 2008, 09:25:57 PM: BytorJr,

I did not make myself clear. Carrying an extra mag will not mean anything. If you fire that many shots that you actually have to USE that extra mag then I think you are going to be looked at with a proctoscope by the prosecuting atorney as to what charges he can file against you.

I will put it this way: read all you can about armed citizens using firearms to defend themselves. What is the average number of shots fired in these incidences? What is the largest number of shots fired and what percentage of those large number of shots fired incidences does this make up in the total number of instances where citizens used firearms for self defense?

The VAST majority of self defense incidences have 3 or less shots fired by the citizen. If you think you might be involved in the .01%(my guess) of instances where more than 7 rounds were needed/required/necessary, then by all means, carry an extra mag.

In my opinion, it is just more trouble than it is worth.

Mike
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 22, 2008, 09:30:35 PM: Mike,

I prefer the two tone simply because that is all I have in my
possession. Your implied concerns about our liberties pale
in comparison to a close friend of mine.

The issue of carrying or not carrying an extra magazine is a
non-issue with me except for the basis of your statements.
If you know something we don't, please give us a hint.
I really don't think it is accurate to say just loading an extra
magazine is a crime; if I read you correctly, carrying an extra
magazine may get you in trouble. Although, I don't think any
one in the Killeen, Tx. Luby's Cafeteria would have worried
about that at the time, if at all. Of course, in our litigious
society, anything is possible.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: BytorJr on March 23, 2008, 12:30:05 AM: Riffraff,

I see where you're coming from. It'd be a sad day to either have to use all 7 rounds, or having to need more than 7 (multiple attackers). If you miss 7 times and it's likely there will be a few misses , then the shooter had better be concerned as to where those misses are going.

No disagreement, I was wondering from a legal standpoint.

Now, that said, there have been gangs attack folk in bigger cities, and then...well, one had better have a lot more than 7 rounds - an AR, a fast car, and 911.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Brenden on March 23, 2008, 03:30:30 AM: I look at it as better to have it and not need it,than to not have it and need it!! ;)

Goes' right along with, I would rather be tried by 12, than carried by 6!!
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: theirishguard on March 23, 2008, 12:04:02 PM: when you run out of ammo you are out of the war. an extra mag of ammo may never be used but better safe than sorry. aim each shot so that it hits what you want and keep shooting till all the threats are gone. you have to make it thru the battle before you talk about court. Tom
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 23, 2008, 02:55:41 PM: This is a rather specious point of discussion anyway because
two R9 magazines do not equal one Glock magazine capacity.
Is there such a thing as too much ammo in a self-defense
situation?
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: riffraff on March 23, 2008, 03:41:56 PM: BaytorJr, Brendon, the IrishGuard,

Thanks for the comments. I understand what you are saying and I think you understood what I was getting at.

Tracker,

I have been unable to get my points across to you. The second paragraph if your reply to my last post did not really make sense and your post just before this one did not either.
IMO you are trying to compare apples to oranges.

Mike
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: theirishguard on March 23, 2008, 05:14:27 PM: 2 tone is what I have. Tom
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: tracker on March 23, 2008, 08:34:13 PM: Mike,
Let us just agree to disagree and move on to something else.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: riffraff on March 23, 2008, 08:59:49 PM: ok
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: Jack Foulard on March 23, 2008, 09:09:13 PM: Thanks for putting an end to that.
Title: Re: original or stealth, what's your favorite
Post by: CaptBW on March 24, 2008, 02:04:16 AM: I prefer the two-tone, and that is what I have.