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Title: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on November 25, 2007, 06:51:15 PM

My R9s slide does not slide forward until it is flush with the frame. It functions with no problems. This picture is taken without the recoil assemble installed to make sure that was not holding it. What do you think?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/dbracin/R9sII.jpg)

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: riffraff on November 25, 2007, 09:27:41 PM

I/we need a tad more info. about your difficulties.  

If I understand your post and photo I will say that many R9's exibit similar pecularaities.  Your pistol functions well so you are good to go.

This type of difficulty has been brought up here in the history of the forum.  I am assuming that when you seat a mag and rack the slide to chamber a round that the slide does go fully home or as far forward as it will go?

Mike

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on November 26, 2007, 07:33:41 AM

Correct about function. This is cosmetic at this point. However, for a gun of this quality (and cost), this frame to slide fit is unacceptable to me. My Kel-Tec frame to slide fit is better! Has anyone contacted the factory with this issue then?

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Richard S on November 26, 2007, 10:40:45 AM

dbracin:

When you first purchased your R9, was the slide-to-frame fit the same as shown in your photograph? Also, did you purchase the piece new or used? I'm inclined to believe that something has occurred which has altered the slide/frame interface, in which case I would let the factory take a look at the pistol. For comparison, here is a shot I just took of the same area of my own R9:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/R9SlidetoFrameFit.jpg)

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on November 26, 2007, 12:25:05 PM

I did purchase it new and I don't recall noticing this slide to frame fit. It could have been like this all along or it could have developed it. I will contact Rohrbaugh.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: sharp on December 20, 2007, 02:37:17 AM

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dbracin:

When you first purchased your R9, was the slide-to-frame fit the same as shown in your photograph? Also, did you purchase the piece new or used? I'm inclined to believe that something has occurred which has altered the slide/frame interface, in which case I would let the factory take a look at the pistol. For comparison, here is a shot I just took of the same area of my own R9:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/R9SlidetoFrameFit.jpg)

Richard, what kind of grips do you have on your pup?  I don't think I've seen those before.  They have checkering on them?

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Richard S on December 20, 2007, 06:43:43 AM

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Richard, what kind of grips do you have on your pup?  I don't think I've seen those before.  They have checkering on them?

Sharp:

Those are a prototype set of aluminum grips Eric was kind enough to let me have.  The factory will soon be offering aluminum grips as an aftermarket accessory for the R9. The new grips will be manufactured by AlumaGrips but will be available exclusively through Rohrbaugh Firearms. I don't know what design(s) the final grips will have, but (being a confirmed "grip junkie" who refuses to enter treatment for the affliction  ;)), I'll have to have some.

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Accessories;action=display;num=1195074603;start=0#4

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on January 09, 2008, 08:13:17 PM

My R9s return from NY today. I was told the slide was out of spec and replaced. I am somewhat disappointed they had it almost 6 weeks and it cost me $25 to shipped it to them, so they could fix something that should have never left the factory. I suppose the extra recoil spring they sent was suppose to help me feel better about the money I spent to ship it to them. It did not. I have not shot it yet, but plan to soon. I was hoping to at least get a magazine from them to cover my shipping cost.  :-/

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: BytorJr on January 09, 2008, 11:00:23 PM

Sorry to hear your gun was out of spec.  I agree that it shouldn't have gotten out of the factory this way; but 25 bucks is a good shipping rate for a firearm.  I don't know if you called them to check up on it while it was up there, but 6 weeks seems long.  

I recently had a gun go back to another company, but I wrote them that I was in no hurry, so I didn't expect to get it back soon.  It took about 1 month.  

Hopefully all will be well from here out.

Good Luck.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: tracker on January 09, 2008, 11:14:07 PM

This six weeks included the Christmas and Holiday season,
did it not?

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: BytorJr on January 09, 2008, 11:21:42 PM

Dohhhhh, THAT is a great point tracker.  6 weeks at that time of year is more like 3 weeks of normal time.  If not less.  

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Richard S on January 10, 2008, 07:57:31 AM

dbracin:

I'm glad your problem was resolved by the factory so quickly -- and a six-week turnaround during a month when the factory was closed for several days to give its small staff a breather for the holidays is indeed quick response.

In your post of November 26, 2007, you stated, "I did purchase it new and I don't recall noticing this slide to frame fit. It could have been like this all along or it could have developed it. I will contact Rohrbaugh."

Each R9 is carefully inspected and test fired before leaving the factory. I find it difficult to believe that any piece with as much variance from the norm when in battery as was shown in your initial photograph would not have been noticed and sent back to the line. Since you purchased the piece new and did not notice the problem when you took delivery, I am still inclined to think that some aftermarket damage must have occurred unbeknownst to you which threw the slide out of specifications and interfered with the slide/frame interface. The amazing thing is that the pistol apparently continued to function -- another tribute to how tough these little masterpieces really are!

Whatever the cause of the problem, the factory has (as usual) made it right. I trust that you will have no more problems with what (IMNSHO) I consider to be the finest pocket pistol yet produced.

Best wishes for the New Year!

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on March 03, 2008, 06:32:28 PM

I just want to let everyone know the status of my R9s. The worst possible thing has happened. My once reliable R9s is now NO LONGER reliable since it's return from the factory. Karl personally told me it would be 100% reliable before he returned it. That has proven to not be the case! I sent it back for the slide being out of spec. I now have a new slide and now I'm getting light primer strikes with multiple brands of ammo. It originally functioned 100% with WWB from Wal-Mart, now I can't complete a whole mag without several. So I've tried Remington, Winchester and CCI. All get light strikes. After 2 or 3 attempts, they will fire. This is unacceptable. If Rohrbaugh doesn't pay to ship it back this time, I will have an expensive paper weight for sale. And yes, I am not a happer camper.  >:(

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: riffraff on March 03, 2008, 09:08:12 PM

dbracin,

I feel your pain.  This is going to sound harsh but....

You had a perfectually functioning gun but the asthetics were not perfect.  Now you have a gun that looks perfect but does not function right.  You should have been satisfied with the perfectly functioning gun.  This is why I have not sent either of my 2 back even though they are not 100% functional with all ammo.

I hope everything works out for you.

Mike

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Jack Foulard on March 03, 2008, 10:28:12 PM

I disagree with Rifraff.

I think that the fact that it was out of spec potentially made it dangerous.  A slide must fully go into battery.

I would politely ask if you can have a new gun.  Plain and simple.  How did you pay?  Possibly your credit card company could take your back?  I always use my AMEX since they go out of their way to make things right for the customer.

Call them, explain and politely ask for a new R9.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Regards

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: BytorJr on March 04, 2008, 12:54:13 AM

I see both sides of the coin here; but the most concerning thing to me is that it seems like a lot of the newer guns are having light strikes on the primers....or is it my imagination?  

The other problem I see is that this gun was supposedly tested and fired from the factory; which if it is light striking on every round (or nearly every) I don't see how this could have been overlooked.

Also, that slide did not fit that well, and looked long to me.  Just how much that affects safety I cannot answer, but certainly for a $1000 gun it should have been dang near perfect.  

This news is discouraging to hear; and I think that eventually things are going to have to start getting better (they have improved a lot except for the light strikes) or somebody like Ruger is going to come in and do what they did with the LCP and seriously start putting a dent in Rohrbaugh.  

I don't understand why the brothers want to make the Elite models when sometimes me wonders if they are focusing enough on the normal production runs.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dawkind on March 04, 2008, 09:50:40 AM

I can't imagine that no one from Rohrbaugh has chimed in yet.... ???

I have VERY HIGH expectations for the R9S that I have on order....I sure hope that I'm not going to be disappointed.  :-/

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: riffraff on March 04, 2008, 10:04:38 AM

dawkind,

This is the unoficial forum.  Rohrbaugh occasionally views the forums but does not post.

You will probably have no problems with your gun but I will say that I have been viewing and posting here a while and from what I have seen, it is a bit of a hit or miss proposition as far as they usually either function perfectly or have some problems.

Good Luck,  Mike

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dawkind on March 04, 2008, 10:58:29 AM

Thanks for your reply and clarification, Mike.... :)

Good luck is not what I'm hoping for.  ;)

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: theirishguard on March 04, 2008, 01:16:14 PM

Once again folks are over reacting. The standard R9s is a fine pistol with few if any problems. When it comes in take it slow and easy and use the proper ammo.  Tom

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: harrydog on March 04, 2008, 01:42:21 PM

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dbracin,

I feel your pain.  This is going to sound harsh but....

You had a perfectually functioning gun but the asthetics were not perfect.  Now you have a gun that looks perfect but does not function right.  You should have been satisfied with the perfectly functioning gun.  

Mike

I couldn't disagree more.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on March 04, 2008, 04:23:45 PM

I just spoke with the folks at Rohrbaugh. The pistol will be going out to them again this week. I trust that they will make my pistol reliable again. I am disappointed that it requires another trip. I will post again once I get it back.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on March 12, 2008, 02:33:48 PM

The big brown truck just left and I got to try out the R9s. FOUR mags of Remington , 2 mags of WWB and 2 mags of Federal Hydrashock. No problems. I feel much better now. I wanted to shoot more, but after 8 mags, I thought I'd wait until tomorrow for a few more rounds. Let me say that Rohrbaugh customer service is excellent. Maria is an asset to the company and Karl has a sense of humor. My letter with the return indicated light strikes with Remington, Winchester and CCI ammo. Included with my returned R9s was a handful of "Federal" cases, I concluded were test fired cases. Well, so far so good.  

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Brenden on March 12, 2008, 02:59:42 PM

dbracin,
  Glad you have the pup back,and it's to your liking!!

   In my dealings with Rohrbaugh,I have had nothing but good results!!Keep us up to date on the range reports..

Brenden

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: harrydog on March 12, 2008, 09:34:06 PM

Maria and both of the Rohrbaugh brothers are super to deal with and will do their utmost to resolve any problems you may have. You really can't say enough good about them.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: theirishguard on March 12, 2008, 09:56:34 PM

agreed   Tom

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Richard S on March 13, 2008, 07:18:40 AM

I second those comments!

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on March 28, 2008, 10:02:47 PM

The worst has happened. The second trip to prove in this R9s has failed. I couldn't fire a complete mag without multiple light strikes. Federal, Remington and Winchester ammo all failed. The same ammo that worked for the first 7 magazines. I called Maria today and I will be returning this R9 for my money back or a NEW pistol. To be perfectly honest, I'd  prefer to have my money back. I can not trust my life to this pistol and I'm tired of sending it back. This will be the 3rd trip! This is totally unacceptable! My Kahr has been 100% reliable with ANY and EVERY ammo I have tried. Never has it failed.  >:  I am not happy with Rohrbaugh.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Brenden on March 28, 2008, 10:33:53 PM

I am very sorry to hear of your problems of late..

What has changed since the previous good results?

The big brown truck just left and I got to try out the R9s. FOUR mags of Remington , 2 mags of WWB and 2 mags of Federal Hydrashock. No problems. I feel much better now. I wanted to shoot more, but after 8 mags, I thought I'd wait until tomorrow for a few more rounds. Let me say that Rohrbaugh customer service is excellent. Maria is an asset to the company and Karl has a sense of humor. My letter with the return indicated light strikes with Remington, Winchester and CCI ammo. Included with my returned R9s was a handful of "Federal" cases, I concluded were test fired cases. Well, so far so good.

If this was a good run,we must realize that something has changed..

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: ccoorreeyy on March 28, 2008, 10:35:09 PM

Sorry your having so many problems. :'(  It's not the norm with these.  I can understand the frustration though.  Let us know what happens.  I've had problems with a Kahr before and a Kimber.  I just read of a new Glock that had 3 ftf in the first few rounds so I guess anything mechanical is prone to fail no matter how good the design is.  All of them can't be perfect.  If you do get a NEW r9 we all hope/pray it's 100% for you.
Corey

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: BytorJr on March 28, 2008, 11:54:28 PM

I guess my questions would be:
Did you clean the gun after shooting 8 magazines?

If yes then:
What all did you take down?  

Seems odd it worked, and now doesn't.  Certainly I've had similar things with a Beretta before, so it is possible.   But in retrospect on my old Beretta, I do wonder if I had the magazine springs in properly (I was a real newbie at that time).

I'm asking these questions in hopes that we can decipher what's happened, not because I think it's your fault.  Maybe something was overlooked.  

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on March 29, 2008, 07:46:20 AM

After the initial testing the day I got it back, I just put the R9 in the safe. No cleaning, no disassembly, no nothing. I took it out yesterday and took it to the range. The first 5 rounds fired and the last one took 3 strikes and then every other round in the next few mags took multiple strikes. So at that point I just stuck it back in my range bag to save my ammo. Nothing was changed. I even shot the same ammo from the same boxes.
The only good news was that my Colt Commander ran perfect, like always.
  

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I am very sorry to hear of your problems of late..

What has changed since the previous good results?

The big brown truck just left and I got to try out the R9s. FOUR mags of Remington , 2 mags of WWB and 2 mags of Federal Hydrashock. No problems. I feel much better now. I wanted to shoot more, but after 8 mags, I thought I'd wait until tomorrow for a few more rounds. Let me say that Rohrbaugh customer service is excellent. Maria is an asset to the company and Karl has a sense of humor. My letter with the return indicated light strikes with Remington, Winchester and CCI ammo. Included with my returned R9s was a handful of "Federal" cases, I concluded were test fired cases. Well, so far so good.

If this was a good run,we must realize that something has changed..

??? ???

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: theirishguard on March 29, 2008, 11:42:21 AM

you might get around to cleaning the pup and keeping it oiled. It will run much better.  Tom

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: BytorJr on March 29, 2008, 12:36:29 PM

I agree Tom, a good cleaning and possibly some Gun Scrubber around the firing pin area and such may do wonders.  I'd try that before I sent it off.    If you don' own EEZOX I'd try some CLP or something.  Maybe not the "Rorhbaugh standard" for some folks, but I've never had a problem using either product in anything...including door locks :).

I do know a friend of mine has gotten to about 75 rounds before cleaning, but certainly he was really ringing it out by that time and I'm surprised he had no "runs, drips or errors."

Try a good scrubbing and then see if you have the problem.  If so, then I'd have to side with you wanting a new gun or money back.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: Jack Foulard on March 31, 2008, 12:31:57 PM

Is UMC known to work reliably in the R9?

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: theirishguard on March 31, 2008, 12:48:20 PM

Please don't have your local gunsmith work on the R9. Send it back to Rohrbaugh and they will take good care of you. Karl, I'm sure was trying to help you, but for some reason you didn't give him much of a chance. Your choice of ammo could also cause the problem. Tom

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: BytorJr on April 01, 2008, 12:06:53 AM

As far as the anodizing being marked up, what type is it?  Are you talking Stealth coating?  That can usually be cleaned up with some heavy cleaning as it's just transfer.  I'm not sure about the stovepipes, but I believe that's indicative of shooting technique in some of these smaller guns.  (Somebody correct me here if need be).  

As for UMC...well, it runs in my HK; BUT it is FILTHY...makes WWB look like Gold Dot clean.  So, if you've popped off 60 rounds of UMC, I can see where you will run into problems with filth, causing the guns to malfunction.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on April 04, 2008, 09:15:14 PM

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you might get around to cleaning the pup and keeping it oiled. It will run much better.  Tom

If not cleaning with less than 50 rounds fired causes light primer strikes, THAT is a problem.


I spoke with Maria yesterday and the matter has now been resolved. Rohrbaugh customer service has been above and beyond that of any company I've ever done business with and I thank them for that.
Shalom,
db

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: threeputtingfool on April 06, 2008, 02:04:17 AM

db please elaborate.  What was the resolution?

Jeff

ps I'm a newbie to the forum, and considering a "pup" as you guys refer to them.  Thus my interest in this thread.

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: theirishguard on April 06, 2008, 11:50:29 AM

threeputt, there are very few if any problems with the R9s. Some of problems are ammo or cleaning and/or griping problems. Rohrbaugh has a life time warranty on every pistol so you don't need to worry. If you are thinking of getting one do so you wouldn't look back.  Tom

Title: Re: Possible problem ?
Post by: dbracin on April 06, 2008, 03:21:51 PM

 ;)