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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: Captain38 on June 10, 2008, 11:28:00 PM
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I have to admit I've never been very recoil sensitive, but I was surprised how mildly my R9s recoiled using 115 gr. FMJ rounds. I'd have to say it was no worse than standard pressure .38 Specials fired from an Airweight J-frame revolver.
Definitely manageable!
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good report, see soft recoil, well as least manageable. Tom
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I wouldn't agree on the recoil. The damn gun wants to jump out of my hand. :o
My Glock 27 with 180g shoots smoother than the R9.
The Glock 27 is just too big to carry comfortably here in sunny S. Fla.
I'd rather have the bigger 9mm than a .380. I'll just hold on tight. LOL :)
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it was no worse than standard pressure .38 Specials fired from an Airweight J-frame revolver.
I would say that is an accurate statement. Being an autoloader, I would have hoped that it would recoil less. Thus, I'm really looking forward to the .380 models -- a hit with a .380 will do more damage than a miss with a 9mm.
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New to Rohrbaugh R9 as they are like finding hen's teeth in California, but wanted to chime in on this thread.
The type of small guns I have shot are Seecamp 32 ACP, 38 special S&W 340 PD scamdiuam frame and a Kahr PM9 9MM.
The Rohrbaugh's recoil IMHO was less than any of the above, the S&W being the worse, Seecamp next and the Karh not too bad compared to the R9.
20 Rounds in the 340PD and that was enough for one day.
First time out with the R9 was yesterday. Great pistol!
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The type of small guns I have shot are Seecamp 32 ACP, 38 special S&W 340 PD scamdiuam frame and a Kahr PM9 9MM.
The Rohrbaugh's recoil IMHO was less than any of the above, the S&W being the worse, Seecamp next and the Karh not too bad compared to the R9.
Are you serious? The recoil with the R9 is not terrible by any means but it's definitely far greater than the LWS32.
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Are you serious? The recoil with the R9 is not terrible by any means but it's definitely far greater than the LWS32.
But not near as snappy as a .380 Seecamp. ;)
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But not near as snappy as a .380 Seecamp. ;)
That's what I've heard. Never shot the LWS380
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My Seecamp trigger guard digs into my finger after a few magazines. I would take the R9 over the Seecamp for control and comfort in shooting.
I shot 50 rounds yesterday on my R9 and would never blast out 50 with the Seecamp in one sitting.
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New to Rohrbaugh R9 as they are like finding hen's teeth in California, but wanted to chime in on this thread.
The type of small guns I have shot are Seecamp 32 ACP, 38 special S&W 340 PD scamdiuam frame and a Kahr PM9 9MM.
The Rohrbaugh's recoil IMHO was less than any of the above, the S&W being the worse, Seecamp next and the Karh not too bad compared to the R9.
20 Rounds in the 340PD and that was enough for one day.
First time out with the R9 was yesterday. Great pistol!
I've never had the opprotunity to shoot the R9 but I have shot the Kahr PM9. In your opinion, is the recoil of the R9 less than that of the PM9?
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Just as a point of reference, Recoil Factor:
Add Velocity to Bullet Weight and multiply that number by the Velocity. Then divide that answer by the weight, in pounds, of the firearm multiplied by 80. Then divide that number by 100.
For example, my S & W 500 PC Hunter, 10 ½ inch barrel, with Cor-Bon 350gr JHP moving at 1600fps would be, using the listed weight of 82oz [5.13 lbs] equal to a Recoil factor is 76.10. Muzzle energy is 1990 foot pounds.
My Seecamp .32, with Winchester .32 60gr Silvertip Hollow Point moving at 970fps, using the listed weight, with magazine, of 13.65 oz [.85 lbs] is equal to a Recoil Factor of 146.39. Muzzle energy is 125 foot pounds.
While my Seecamp .380, with Winchester .380 85gr Silvertip Hollow Point moving at 1000fps, using the listed weight, with magazine, of 13.65oz [.85 lbs] is equal to a Recoil Factor of 158.97. Muzzle energy is 189 foot pounds.
And my Kel-Tec P-3AT, with Winchester .380 85gr Silvertip Hollow Point moving at 1000 fps, using the listed weight, with magazine, of 11.10oz [.69 lbs] is equal to a Recoil Factor of 195.50. Muzzle energy is 189 foot pounds.
And now for my Rohrbaugh R9s, with Winchester 9mm 115gr Silvertip Hollow Point moving at 1225 fps, using the listed weight, with magazine, of 14.3oz [.89 lbs] is equal to a Recoil Factor of 230.55. Muzzle energy is 383 foot pounds.
And least we forget my S & W 360PD, with Cor-Bon .357 140gr JHP moving at 1500fps would be, using the listed weight of 12oz [.75 lbs] equal to a Recoil Factor of 312! Muzzle energy is 525 foot pounds.
Many folks consider a Recoil Factor over 100 to be unpleasant; certainly anything over 200 is very unpleasant. 312?, well there you have it folks, painful. You pays your money and takes your chances. Double tap? Sure, but you have to practice!
I have the 360PD, and like it. I would not trade it off, but it is not a pleasant gun. It has a job and it does it REAL well. If it is not for you there are a lot of milder shooting guns out there. Just a warning, this is not a 9mm target pistol. It is an honest to God concealed weapon designed to take a .357 Mag and protect a person. If you can deal with that it may be right up your alley, but don’t try to fool yourself into feeling Macho! It is not about that.
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PapaT I had a PM9 and it's recoil wasn't that bad especially after I compared it to the PM40 I replaced it with. The R9 is a LITTLE bit jumpier than the PM9 but nothing really to be concerned about. The PM40 was much snappier to shoot than the R9 though. The only thing about the R9 is the mag release is a little more uncomfortable to me when shooting over the PM9... but then again neither were designed to be big range guns.
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with all the talk on this forum i thought the R9 would jump out of my hand and smack me in the forehead but after the 1st shot i eased my death grip on it went to unsupported and emptied the mag. I dont really see why all these people say it wants to jump out of theyre hands i just dont see it ???
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As you can see by my calculations the R9 is actually quite managable by most standards. It is NOT a target pistol. It is a tool, and one of the best.
with all the talk on this forum i thought the R9 would jump out of my hand and smack me in the forehead but after the 1st shot i eased my death grip on it went to unsupported and emptied the mag. I dont really see why all these people say it wants to jump out of theyre hands i just dont see it ???
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It is NOT a target pistol. It is a tool, and one of the best.
My R9 shoots like a target pistol
;D
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Then you would adore a SIG 210 ::)
By the way, how are you doing with that adjustable rear sight, on your R9. I love the ability to fine tune it. I have mine sighted for 100 yards, and the 'scope mount is on the way. 3 - 9 X 50mm Leupold. For some reason I had a hard time getting Eric to make it for me. But I have to admit, the "full melt" option was very well done when he was through. The man is an artist.
My R9 shoots like a target pistol
;D
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Then you would adore a SIG 210 ::)
By the way, how are you doing with that adjustable rear sight, on your R9. I love the ability to fine tune it. I have mine sighted for 100 yards, and the 'scope mount is on the way. 3 - 9 X 50mm Leupold. For some reason I had a hard time getting Eric to make it for me. But I have to admit, the "full melt" option was very well done when he was through. The man is an artist.
LOL your a very funny guy
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I said it shoots like a target pistol as in its very accurate
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And right you are. Frankly anything I would do to Karl and Eric's baby would reduce it's effectiveness for it's task. Perfect as born.
But a 'scope........................ :o
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And right you are. Frankly anything I would do to Karl and Eric's baby would reduce it's effectiveness for it's task. Perfect as born.
But a 'scope........................ :o
have you seen this custom R9s?
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Gunsmith;action=display;num=1211138742
pretty dam sweet i wouldnt want the ports but dam that 40lpi on it gives me a chub
i posted a thread in the gunsmithin area asking if anyone could or has already has put a tritium vial in the front sight of the R9s but no replies as of yet
i would love to have a front night sight on my R9s thats about the only work i want done of my R9s
I still cant get over how accurate the R9s is for such a small pistol
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That really is stunning! I have hardly gotten over the fact that I now own one. I have been trying to find one here in California for almost five years. I finally got one last week! I know there are fewer than five in the entire state.
Right now I am just going to hold it for a bit, but that checkering...........
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Have you seen the "Gutter Snipe" offered by North American for their little pocket popper??
http://www.naaminis.com/380_cshop1.html
have you seen this custom R9s?
http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Gunsmith;action=display;num=1211138742
pretty dam sweet i wouldnt want the ports but dam that 40lpi on it gives me a chub
i posted a thread in the gunsmithin area asking if anyone could or has already has put a tritium vial in the front sight of the R9s but no replies as of yet
i would love to have a front night sight on my R9s thats about the only work i want done of my R9s
I still cant get over how accurate the R9s is for such a small pistol
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Actually, I think having a stealth with white or day-glo yellow paint on the front sight is all you need during daylight hours. At night, well, I hope I'm in a somewhat lighted area. As for rear sights, I'm beginning to believe that having two dots in the rear takes way too much attention off the front sight (for me).
I thought of putting glow-paint on the R9, but never got around to it. I'd be interested in knowing if anybody else has done that procedure.
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In spite of my kidding about the ‘scope mount', and at risk of putting words in Karl or Eric’s mouth, in talking with them the original design Karl generated had no sights. Similar to all Seecamps. His feeling appears to be that this should be the ‘ultimate point and shoot device’. I feel that if you practice “point shooting” you will find your R9 does a great job of this at its intended range, 3 – 15 feet. Also the bulk of these “opportunities” occur in dark or near dark. If you can, try to find a range that will allow practice in these twilight situations. It is really different than standing in daylight blasting at a target 7 feet away. I love sight aids, and have several lasers, on handguns, but they are primarily “house guns” just to get me to a long gun. They do generate confidence, but I have some concern about relying on them, Murphy seems to work overtime in my life. Point shooting may save your life, and it is stone reliable. That said, aids are always good!
OK, I am getting off of my soap box now.
Actually, I think having a stealth with white or day-glo yellow paint on the front sight is all you need during daylight hours. At night, well, I hope I'm in a somewhat lighted area. As for rear sights, I'm beginning to believe that having two dots in the rear takes way too much attention off the front sight (for me).
I thought of putting glow-paint on the R9, but never got around to it. I'd be interested in knowing if anybody else has done that procedure.
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I recently picked up one of the Mag extensions from IDM www.idmparts.com and it works great. This is their picture:
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q179/arjuna70/R9flatpolished.jpg)
I can now shoot my pup like a target pistol. It gives me a much better positive grip on the gun and I no longer have the bite I would experience without it. I put 100 rds of WWB down range the other day without a problem. Before I would usually shoot 2-3 mags at the most.
I will probably try the hooked one next time. He is out at the present time. Best upgrade I made on the pup. Now I'm thinking about the Aluminum grips and I sure do like the checkering on the frame. We'll see......
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Good looking piece, I assume it attaches to the magazine??
I recently picked up one of the Mag extensions from IDM www.idmparts.com and it works great. This is their picture:
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q179/arjuna70/R9flatpolished.jpg)
I can now shoot my pup like a target pistol. It gives me a much better positive grip on the gun and I no longer have the bite I would experience without it. I put 100 rds of WWB down range the other day without a problem. Before I would usually shoot 2-3 mags at the most.
I will probably try the hooked one next time. He is out at the present time. Best upgrade I made on the pup. Now I'm thinking about the Aluminum grips and I sure do like the checkering on the frame. We'll see......
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It attaches to the magazine. Nice setup. It completely changes shooting dynamics of the pistol for me.
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That is awesome, thanks. They are now on my wish list.