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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: yankee2500 on June 29, 2009, 01:01:04 AM

Title: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on June 29, 2009, 01:01:04 AM: I was wondering if it was the same one that
right_to_bear_arms sold.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132557448

John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Richard S on June 29, 2009, 11:14:48 AM: John:

I'm virtually certain that it's the same gun. The serial number of RTBA's R9 had five characters which could be clearly seen. It sold for $1,736.00. The serial number of the one now up for auction shows four characters, but they are the same as the first four on RTBA's pistol and the item description states, (*Last digit(s) digitally obscured in photos for security reasons). The starting bid this time is $1,795.00.

Afterthought: I'm a capitalist through and through, but I rather regret seeing one of these R9 masterpieces being bought and flipped like some used car.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on June 29, 2009, 11:50:51 AM: I agree and my first thought was it was the same gun. I don't know how much they can make off it the first owner couldn't get what he paid.
John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ccw on June 29, 2009, 04:40:47 PM: What was the original selling price?
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Richard S on June 29, 2009, 08:39:25 PM: Quote
What was the original selling price?

Here is a link to RTBA's original thread:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Classifieds;action=display;num=1243631024
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Corvette on June 29, 2009, 09:11:52 PM: As a relative newby here, would someone explain why this gun is more valuable then the current R9's?

Thanks
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: tracker on June 29, 2009, 10:23:05 PM: IMO, it isn't but you throw in a few things like low s/n,
carbon fiber grips [if they are], and a $300 Robar treatment
and someone thinks they are sitting on a fortune.

As with anything else on this planet's market place it is only
worth what someone is willing to pay. I don't know if it has
sold again, yet.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on June 30, 2009, 12:07:52 AM: The sn is 3600 if it is the same gun sold by right_to_bear_arms
there are no carbon fiber grips on it just Hogue G-10s $69, it does have the $300 Robar finish, and is supposed to be hand fitted and assembled by Eric Rohrbaugh. And they were only made in a limited number.
John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 03, 2009, 08:06:40 AM: My two cents: LOVE the one tone slide/frame. It is sad, (whatever the circumstance), to have actually lost money, for so fine a gun, within so short a duration of ownership.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ccw on July 04, 2009, 01:47:08 AM: The pistol in question failed to garner any bids at $1795. It has been relisted here (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133221963) at, um, $1795.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 04, 2009, 09:17:19 AM: STILL love the one tone frame/slide. The G10 grips appear to be Hogue custom; still a far cry from CF but a good looking gun.

As to the numbers, I always say "value needs a price and price needs a buyer".
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 04, 2009, 10:20:57 AM: Yep! It's how bad you want it, and what you're willing to pay!
Title: IRe: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 04, 2009, 01:55:14 PM: Lucky for me the grips are not CF as I would be tempted yet again. Still, I love that one tone frame and slide. Yes, I know, I am repeating myself and should probably refrain from looking at the post on gunbroker.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 04, 2009, 02:29:33 PM: I really had to not think about those last $300.00 black CF grips. My wants were running rampant until finally I couldn't justify that price. Still.....it was tempting!!
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: tracker on July 04, 2009, 04:23:38 PM: Wouldn't it just be too much to have one with an NP3 finish,
black carbon fiber grips, and tritium sights?
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 04, 2009, 05:13:20 PM: It definitely would; but then again.......tempting!! I guess that why they make stuff like that....to tempt us to the wanting point, which over rides the value point, then I buy it.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: tracker on July 04, 2009, 05:31:08 PM: It would be so pretty you wouldn't want to shoot it but if
you did it probably wouldn't shoot any better than stock off
the shelf.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Richard S on July 04, 2009, 07:30:50 PM: Quote
It would be so pretty you wouldn't want to shoot it but if you did it probably wouldn't shoot any better than stock off the shelf.

That is so true!

Case in point: I purchased a stock Colt 1991A1 for about $900. Then I added BoMar adjustable sights and some Sambar Stag grips. It shot exactly where it was pointed:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/Colt1991A1BeforeCustomizing.jpg)

But then temptation pushed up that wanting point, which overrode the value point, and I poured another two grand into the piece. And it still shoots exactly where it is pointed:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/colt1991a1withlasermax.jpg)

I'll say this for it though -- it keeps my two sons-in-law in line and competing for my favor, each one hoping to receive it as a specific bequest in my Last Will and Testament. 8)
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on July 04, 2009, 08:15:26 PM: Quote
Wouldn't it just be too much to have one with an NP3 finish,
black carbon fiber grips, and tritium sights?

Well two out of three isn't bad, when I get mine back from Robar the only one it won't have is the tritium sights, and that's because everyone I checked with said there is not enough stock there to drill for the sights. Maybe I can put it on Gun Broker for 2K with the NP3 finish and Black CF grips ;D
John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: tracker on July 04, 2009, 09:10:38 PM: I'm pulling for you, Yankee.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 04, 2009, 09:13:47 PM: Ten Four, John!! ;D 8)
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 04, 2009, 11:15:17 PM: Quote

That is so true!

Case in point: I purchased a stock Colt 1991A1 for about $900. Then I added BoMar adjustable sights and some Sambar Stag grips. It shot exactly where it was pointed:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/Colt1991A1BeforeCustomizing.jpg)

But then temptation pushed up that wanting point, which overrode the value point, and I poured another two grand into the piece. And it still shoots exactly where it is pointed:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/colt1991a1withlasermax.jpg)

I'll say this for it though -- it keeps my two sons-in-law in line and competing for my favor, each one hoping to receive it as a specific bequest in my Last Will and Testament. 8)

In culmination thereof, that is one beautiful pistol. :) :)
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: saw1212 on July 04, 2009, 11:18:38 PM: you are right, but those black cf grips will look good on the new stealth that I ordered from Tom
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: theirishguard on July 05, 2009, 12:09:33 PM: Scott, go for it. Tom
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 05, 2009, 01:41:21 PM: Quote
you are right, but those black cf grips will look good on the new stealth that I ordered from Tom

Most definitely!
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 05, 2009, 07:46:38 PM: Yankee,

Don't forget to charge for the SS frame when you put your custom R9 on gunbroker.

But seriously, good luck with it and please post pictures upon receipt.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on July 05, 2009, 10:31:12 PM: Yes I almost forgot the Stainless frame, that will raise the price another $500-$800 ;D
I will post pics as soon as I get it back, but it already seems like it's been gone a long time. :(
John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 06, 2009, 08:59:40 AM: That's why the ancient Greeks had two words for time: chronological and kerological(SP?)

The former is the inexorable passage of time as we know it, whereas the latter is the "sense of time", (fast or slow), contingent upon events in play.

Time without the R9 surely seems slower to you than chronological time because you keep score differently, pending its receipt.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 06, 2009, 09:51:54 AM: Like Christmas as a kid. Takes forever to get to here. Getting the R9 back will be a great present to yourself, John, even if Santa doesn't bring it.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Richard S on July 06, 2009, 10:30:19 AM: [size=10]"In the midst of the ordinary time (kronos), extraordinary time (kairos) happens." Mark R. Freier, Time Measured by Kairos and Kronos, (2006)

http://www.whatifenterprises.com/whatif/whatiskairos.pdf[/size]

I would say that the time one has to spend waiting for his or her R9 definitely falls within the concept of extraordinary time.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on July 12, 2009, 09:17:39 PM: The Robar Rohrbaugh is up for it's third listing on GB and has yet to generate a bid at the $1795 starting price. I wonder if they realize yet that they didn't find the Holey Grail of Rohrbaughs.
John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 12, 2009, 09:38:28 PM: John,

I don't mean to offend anyone who may be a part of this forum but what is missing to justify the high price of the robar guns is Carbon Fiber grips; the holy grail of R9!

One more time: LOVE the one tone frame/slide. But, I am not going to bid on a gun that has G10 grips. Come to think of it, I am trying to avoid gunbroker anyway, as I advised Richard on another string in this forum.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Fat Boy on July 13, 2009, 12:43:50 AM: I got to hold one a week ago and give it a good inspection, it was better than I imagined and had a real classy look, even though I'm not a fan of that color in a finish. My personal opinion is that the Robar and Special Forces were VERY much priced too high especial with out the CF grips but I don't think even those make up that much cost increase. I don't agree that the G10s are that bad and personally think the cf grips are nice but are getting an awful lot of disproportionate hype, jmo. Variety, we all like something different, the question is; is there real value in the difference or is the price simply based on shortage.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 13, 2009, 08:31:01 AM: Fat Boy

It is reasonable, in my view, to regard the carbon fiber issue as part reality and part hype. I have spoken very clearly as to my dislike of G10, by which I stand. The custom Hogue grips with checkering are better than the plain G10 grips but it is still G10, which I hate.

So, where are we? Rohrbaugh furnished Carbon Fiber at one time and, by substituting G10 grips, relegated the Carbon Fiber to mythical status which is ongoing. Hey! ever hear of Winchester "Pre 64"? Plaintiff rests.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 13, 2009, 10:52:39 AM: I like the CF, no doubt; however, I just have to accept the G10 and go with them. Would I change out to CF if I could find them? That would depend on the want factor at the time.

If the CF appeared here on the forum, you would have to be really fast to speak for them as well. Seems at any price, they will sell and that 's OK too. Makes them available at the time, and a lucky person is estatic.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Fat Boy on July 13, 2009, 10:55:05 AM: ACP,
I think we agree then that a lot of this is just hype or simply based on shortage. I agree that the custom Hogue grips are much better than the standard. The checkering is a huge help in gripping this gun, which is why the cf grips may look nicer to some but practically speaking is not as valuable to me.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 13, 2009, 11:05:08 AM: Quote
I got to hold one a week ago and give it a good inspection, it was better than I imagined and had a real classy look, even though I'm not a fan of that color in a finish. My personal opinion is that the Robar and Special Forces were VERY much priced too high especial with out the CF grips but I don't think even those make up that much cost increase. I don't agree that the G10s are that bad and personally think the cf grips are nice but are getting an awful lot of disproportionate hype, jmo. Variety, we all like something different, the question is; is there real value in the difference or is the price simply based on shortage.

Have you ever heard the phrase "Build it and they will come". That seems to me to be the way of the Robar and the others that bring a premium; that's marketing and it works.

I do agree, they are priced too high, but you've got to like how they look.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Fat Boy on July 13, 2009, 11:10:59 AM: Quote
I do agree, they are priced too high, but you've got to like how they look.
They do look and feel fantastic and much better than what you see in a picture on the net.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 13, 2009, 01:25:40 PM: Fat Boy

With due respect we do not agree on carbon fiber grips. I hate G10 (however irrational this may seem) and love carbon fiber.

The focus of my statement is that substituting G10 for carbon fiber grips is analogous to what Winchester did to their guns after 1964. Their "improvements" were, in fact, cost reductions, thus relegating Pre '64 guns to collector status which continues to this day.

I will not argue the point of "how much is too much(?)" as to carbon fiber grips, but I won a gunbroker auction for an early gun with carbon fiber grips and paid $1425.00.

Carbon fiber grips are not hype; instead they are desirable and command premium prices which, of course, will always require a buyer willing to pay the price. If carbon fiber grips do not have appeal for you, you are saving money.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: Fat Boy on July 13, 2009, 03:12:51 PM: I don't think I said we agree about CF grips, but apparently we don't agree that it is hype, if this isn't hype I don't know what is.

hype  /haɪp/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hahyp] Show IPA verb, hyped, hyp⋅ing, noun Informal.
Use hype in a Sentence
–verb (used with object) 1. to stimulate, excite, or agitate (usually fol. by up): She was hyped up at the thought of owning her own car.
2. to create interest in by flamboyant or dramatic methods; promote or publicize showily: a promoter who knows how to hype a prizefight.
3. to intensify (advertising, promotion, or publicity) by ingenious or questionable claims, methods, etc. (usually fol. by up).
4. to trick; gull.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 13, 2009, 05:29:51 PM: Fat Boy

Well done. All words have semantics which either conotate or denotate meanings. For me, #4 on your definition of hype is what is in play here.

I believe that carbon fiber grips have value and merit. Therefore, (in the context of #4) carbon fiber is not hyped.

As always, value needs a price and price needs a buyer. Right now I am trying to get over the new guy who paid $650 for a CF R9; less than half of what I paid in May.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 13, 2009, 07:06:27 PM: Unreal!
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 13, 2009, 07:15:51 PM: Why doesn't someone sell me their one tone Farmingdale gun for $650.00?
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 13, 2009, 07:19:23 PM: I'd do the same; even more. Let's find two.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: tracker on July 13, 2009, 07:50:09 PM: Maybe if we paid for a table at a gun show like Ron did and sat there
for two or three days looking at tire-kickers we might find a good
deal once in awhile.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 13, 2009, 09:47:49 PM: tracker,

uhh.."two or three days"? More likely two or three years for something to happen as did to Ron. Or, maybe never!
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 13, 2009, 09:58:02 PM: We can always hope!
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: tracker on July 13, 2009, 10:13:41 PM: That was two or three days at a time; you are correct.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: DanR9SF on July 14, 2009, 05:14:45 PM: Quote
John,

I don't mean to offend anyone who may be a part of this forum but what is missing to justify the high price...

I bought a new motorcycle back in 2001 - a Ducati, for full MSRP. Only two months later I discovered other dealers (in other cities) routinely discounted that model 7% or more. And that same year I found out my model was out of production forever, replaced by a new model with more features and benefits. Many dealers with one on the floor were selling my exact model for as much as 15% off MSRP.

8 1/2 years later and I still LOVE the bike! Best motorcycle I've ever owned. It's brought me countless memories which have resulted in so many ear-to-ear grins. I am really glad I bought this Ducati. I dunno, sometimes it's OK to pay more than you probably could have or should have if it turns out to be a good product and it brings you happiness.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 14, 2009, 05:22:18 PM: Dan

You the man! It is easy to lose sight of the pleasure our toys bring us when we compare someone else's good fortune. You are right to keep score with your Ducati, in the manner you describe, and I am grateful for the lesson.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 14, 2009, 05:42:09 PM: Great expericnce, Dan. I'm usually the one who pays too much. I wait too long, or don't know about the item until years later as with the Rohrbaugh, then want one of the first ones they made.

You did good. That 8 1/2 years you've got to enjoy the Ducati.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: yankee2500 on July 17, 2009, 11:02:10 PM: I guess three times is not a charm for this Robar R9, this is the forth time they have run it.
John
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 18, 2009, 07:23:25 AM: I may be paraphrasing but I once read something like "the surest definition of insanity is the repetition of the same bad behavior with the expectation of a positive outcome".

The guy who is trying (yet again) to sell this custom R9 is not paying attention to what the market is telling him. Actually it is shouting: Price is too high!
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 18, 2009, 09:53:31 AM: I think this is Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, NC, one of the largest gun shops in NC, who is trying to sell the Robar. They can afford to keep listing it; not that it matters if they are large, but they do alot of business.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 18, 2009, 11:31:43 AM: That makes sense to me if Hyatt is big enough to do what they are doing. However, four (4) times?

I regret that I don't have many gun dealers where I live and I would love to have a big gun dealer in my state.

With the one tone frame/slide, I would have given it some thought if the grips were CF instead of G10. In fairness to the Hogue grips, they are pretty nice, in so far as one may say anything positive about G10.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: theirishguard on July 18, 2009, 11:59:00 AM: one day a new fool will come along and buy it, that's what the shop is waiting for. Keep throwing out the line and hook. Tom
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 18, 2009, 12:42:04 PM: Exactly right. That person will come.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: ACP on July 28, 2009, 08:44:32 AM: Anyone notice that this gun finally sold? Fourth time was a charm. I can't help but wonder whether the sale was valid or fed by a shadow bid.

Once again, beautiful gun, premium one tone finish, but no CF grips.
Title: Re: Another R9s Robar for sale on GunBroker
Post by: kjtrains on July 28, 2009, 09:08:38 AM: Hyatt Gun Shop! They do sell guns. Amazing.