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Title: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 09, 2009, 02:25:27 AM
When Robar called on Thursday they said the pup would be here on Friday and it was ;D. Along with the complete NP3 job I had sight dots milled into the front and rear for a figure eight sight pattern. After a complete inspection we took a walk outside and I fed the pup some treats, I started  with some mixed brands of ball ammo in the first mag, and had one empty case not clear the chamber and hold the slide open, after clearing that I loaded seven rounds mixed Hornady Critical Defense and Gold Dots, function was flawless. Then I ran a box of 50 Winchester ball ammo through and had no issues. All rounds were 115gr. Very happy with the preformance and look of the pup.
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/R9s007.jpg)
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/R9s008.jpg)
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/R9s013.jpg)
(http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/pp216/yankee2500/R9s014.jpg)

Now a few more weeks and the pups new house (holster)should arrive and I'll have to find something else to spend my time waiting for ;D
John








Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ccoorreeyy on August 09, 2009, 10:35:25 AM
Very very nice looking indeed!  I know you've got to be proud of it.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 09, 2009, 10:51:05 AM
Excellent John.  Really like the look and the sights.  Great job.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: theirishguard on August 09, 2009, 12:55:26 PM
very nice John and I would guess worth waiting for.  Tom
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 09, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
John:

Now that is one fine looking pistol! Congratulations!
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 09, 2009, 03:08:44 PM
 I am very pleased with the quality of the work, and would tell anyone looking for a durable lifetime finish to contact Robar. The turn around time was five weeks, and the milling of the sight dots was $45.
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Sigquick on August 10, 2009, 09:00:23 AM
The sights look great. Could you provide more detail as to what type and size of front sight they installed. The $45 to mill the front sight plus the cost of sight plus round trip shipping was?
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Jack Foulard on August 10, 2009, 11:31:09 AM
Very nice look.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 10, 2009, 05:20:24 PM
The "sight" you see is just some Glonation Super Glo Paint that I put into the holes they milled or drilled into the slide. My shipping there was $25 through my FFL guy and return one day UPS was $28. I checked with a local gunsmith on having just the sight dots done and he quoted me $90 and would need the gun for 4 to 6 weeks. Robar did the sight dots 2 mags and a full internal and external NP3 job in 5 weeks. The $45 was for 30 min. of shop time to do the sights.
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kanuist on August 10, 2009, 06:09:56 PM
Wow, that looks real sweet.  

I was expecting the external finish to be their Roguard finish, but isn't that black?  Which external finish did you get?
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 10, 2009, 11:19:45 PM
The finish is the NP3, the same as the Rohrbaugh Robar model
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Fat Boy on August 11, 2009, 12:36:45 AM
John,
congrats, very nice and you chose well.  Thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 11, 2009, 02:51:32 AM
Looks fantastic!  

Thanks for sharing.

Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 11, 2009, 02:57:03 AM
Quote
The "sight" you see is just some Glonation Super Glo Paint that I put into the holes they milled or drilled into the slide. My shipping there was $25 through my FFL guy and return one day UPS was $28. I checked with a local gunsmith on having just the sight dots done and he quoted me $90 and would need the gun for 4 to 6 weeks. Robar did the sight dots 2 mags and a full internal and external NP3 job in 5 weeks. The $45 was for 30 min. of shop time to do the sights.
John

Just so you know next time -  gun laws allow you to ship directly yourself to Robar, since they are gunsmiths.  You do NOT have to go through your FFL  --- IF the gun is already in your name.

You as an individual just can NOT send by mail.  Only an FFL can ship a pistol by mail.  Individuals must use UPS,FED EX, or DHL.

And of course, Robar can send the gun back directly to you as well.

That way you can save some time and money next time.

Cheers

Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 11, 2009, 03:02:58 AM
Quote
 

I was expecting the external finish to be their Roguard finish, but isn't that black?  Which external finish did you get?

Just in case anyone decides to go with Roguard.   There are two.  
One is shiny, one is matte.
I compared the two side by side in person, in my opinion the shiny looked cheesy and cheap.

I decided to go with the matte for a two - tone look with NP3 on the bottom.
And boy was I glad  I did.

Hope this helps in case anyone is considering....


Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Fat Boy on August 11, 2009, 10:11:22 AM
Reinz,
thanks for those two posts they are helpful but I would love to see pictures of your two tone.  Do you have them posted anywhere?
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 11, 2009, 01:46:38 PM
Quote

Just so you know next time -  gun laws allow you to ship directly yourself to Robar, since they are gunsmiths.  You do NOT have to go through your FFL  --- IF the gun is already in your name.

You as an individual just can NOT send by mail.  Only an FFL can ship a pistol by mail.  Individuals must use UPS,FED EX, or DHL.

And of course, Robar can send the gun back directly to you as well.

That way you can save some time and money next time.

Cheers

Reinz


I knew about being able to ship by UPS, Fed-Ex etc but they require overnight shipping and it was more than having my FFL do it for me. The return shipping was direct to me from Robar and was overnight UPS at $28 and change.
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 12, 2009, 12:51:13 PM
John

Good for you and thank you for posting the pictures. I too look forward to the same holster from Rafter S and will be owning a Robar R9S.

Also, intersting stuff about the sight dots.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 12, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
John,

I picked my Robar RR model today. It is a beautiful gun but something unusual happened when I dry fired it: The trigger did not return. Instead, it was "stuck" as though it were in single action mode of a DA gun. When I racked the slide, against empty magazine, trigger went back into DAO mode.

My perception is that the Robar coating might be a factor, due to already tight tolerances. However, I defer to the forum. What I don't want to do is fire the gun if this issue is rightful cause for concern.

Comments please.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 12, 2009, 08:59:04 PM
Glad to hear you got your Robar.  Can't speak to your specific problem, but am sure someone here can help. Hope you get it resolved soon.

Just had a thought.  A few more dry fires with a snap cap may loosen up the tight tolerance where the trigger is concerned.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: tracker on August 12, 2009, 09:17:26 PM
ACP,

Not knowing for sure what is the nature of the problem I would
do two things:

1. Contact Rohrbaugh.

2. Fire it. I don't see any inherent downside safety issue with
the problem as you described it, and just take it from there.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 12, 2009, 09:28:24 PM
Thanks much to both of you. I have to admit that my instinct is to fire the gun. I don't think the trigger will stick when the slide is engaged by going live.

In the event that I never post again, you may interpret that this plan failed.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 12, 2009, 09:58:08 PM
This is from the Robar site.
How do I maintain my refinished firearm?
We suggest maintaining the exterior as you would a blued firearm to keep them in the best condition possible! If you have a firearm completely refinished in NP3, a period of 200 to 300 rounds is typically required for break in with quality gun oil or grease. After this period you can run your weapon lightly lubricated or completely dry! If you've chosen Roguard, the same number of rounds apply however, we suggest keeping a minimal amount of synthetic lubricant in the higher wearing areas.

John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 12, 2009, 10:05:16 PM
ACP.  Another thought; I recall your Robar has CF grips.  Could be, whoever installed the CFs may have not got the trigger spring back just right.  Don't know that, but just thinking.  If the grips were factory installed, or even if Robar installed them, I would say that's not the problem.

However, you know the problems folks here on the forum are having replacing grips.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: tracker on August 12, 2009, 10:25:35 PM
I thought about the trigger spring possibility, too, but since
you said it was all right the second try I discarded that as a
problem area potential. The suggestion about proper lubrication
is always prudent.

Although I don't have anything against dry firing I would not use
that solely as a criteria for a matter of concern.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 12, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
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John,

I picked my Robar RR model today. It is a beautiful gun but something unusual happened when I dry fired it: The trigger did not return. Instead, it was "stuck" as though it were in single action mode of a DA gun. When I racked the slide, against empty magazine, trigger went back into DAO mode.

My perception is that the Robar coating might be a factor, due to already tight tolerances. However, I defer to the forum. What I don't want to do is fire the gun if this issue is rightful cause for concern.

Comments please.

Tracker:  I don't think ACP tried it for the 2nd time.  He racked the slide, against empty magazine, trigger went back into DAO mode.  Could be I missed something.

ACP.  I still think the trigger spring may be an issue.  Just maybe.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Fat Boy on August 12, 2009, 10:52:29 PM
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John,

I picked my Robar RR model today. It is a beautiful gun but something unusual happened when I dry fired it: The trigger did not return. Instead, it was "stuck" as though it were in single action mode of a DA gun. When I racked the slide, against empty magazine, trigger went back into DAO mode.

My perception is that the Robar coating might be a factor, due to already tight tolerances. However, I defer to the forum. What I don't want to do is fire the gun if this issue is rightful cause for concern.

Comments please.
ACP,
I saw this same issue with a "Special Forces" model.  I have no sugestion other than contacting Rohrbaugh and sad to hear.  Maybe there is some issue with these higher end units.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 13, 2009, 05:09:58 AM
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Reinz,
thanks for those two posts they are helpful but I would love to see pictures of your two tone.  Do you have them posted anywhere?

Fatboy - I do not have a picture posted.  I am totally dumb in this area.  Next time my daughter is around I will see if I can get her to do it for me.

Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 13, 2009, 05:12:44 AM
Quote


I knew about being able to ship by UPS, Fed-Ex etc but they require overnight shipping and it was more than having my FFL do it for me. The return shipping was direct to me from Robar and was overnight UPS at $28 and change.
John

Well it looks like you were thinking smarter than I was!  ;)

Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 13, 2009, 05:17:45 AM
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ACP.  Another thought; I recall your Robar has CF grips.  Could be, whoever installed the CFs may have not got the trigger spring back just right.  Don't know that, but just thinking.  If the grips were factory installed, or even if Robar installed them, I would say that's not the problem.

However, you know the problems folks here on the forum are having replacing grips.

+1

This has my vote

Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 13, 2009, 09:01:27 AM
Thank you all for your comments. Tracker's statement that it was okay the second time is false; it is correct to say that each time I dry fired the Robar model, (about a dozen times), the trigger stuck and it was only when I removed the magazine and racked the slide that the trigger returned to the correct position.

I will be firing the gun later today in the hope that the RR model will perform normally. If I encounter problems, I will consider the comment as to adjusting CF aftermarket grips. Also, I have a good lubicant that was mandated for useage on my FN 5.7X28MM P90, which ought to work well with the NP3 gun

The last thing I want to do is return it to Rohrbaugh. I am mailing the warranty card in today and who among you would disagree that this would be a disappointment? However, I do not want to mess with an $1885.00 gun and it is better to let the professionals attend the gun, if necessary, than to live with the issues unless they go away as hoped.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 13, 2009, 09:09:59 AM
Good luck ACP!  Hope it works!!
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 13, 2009, 10:28:29 AM
ACP:

I'll go out on a limb and predict that the issue will be resolved after some range time and a good lubricant.

Good luck!
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: tracker on August 13, 2009, 10:50:23 AM
ACP,
Sorry I misunderstood your first statement about your dry
firing sequence. I'll go out on that same limb with Richard.
If this were grip related, why not just exchange grips and
isolate that possibility?
Also, I thought you bought Rohrbaugh CF grips that were not
made for your pistol, not aftermarket grips.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 13, 2009, 11:07:53 AM
I really hope that's it;  range time, that is.  We'll see, but given the circumstances, I'll go out on a limb and say it's still trigger spring related, with all due respect.  If I'm remembering correctly, the Robar came to ACP with CFs.  Just remembering the pictures that have been since removed.

Again, I hope it's resolved with some shooting today!

Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: theirishguard on August 13, 2009, 12:30:11 PM
ACP, As I remember the grips on your new Robar where Rohrbaugh CF grips. As they were not put on by the factory, Jeff may have missed something when he installed them. So I would check that out plus the gun may need some oil to help the brake in with new finish.  Tom
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Fat Boy on August 13, 2009, 01:16:45 PM
ACP,
Good luck.  I agree it is very disappointing, especially when this is what you have craved after so much, even to have a little thing go wrong is irksome.  I would personally narrow down the issue before any range time.  Trade out the grips first and even make sure everything is oiled right and lastly check out the spring for any see-able issues.  You don't want to leave a gun that you may use as a life defense with an unknown grimlin....it will always bug you even if it starts working it will leave you with questions.  jmo

The only other thing I can say is this is not an isolated case, I have at least seen one other and in fact I think that was what my first post here was about.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 13, 2009, 02:28:14 PM
Thank you all for your responses. Richard and tracker are safely on that limb:

1. Grips are factory CF as provided by the seller, though not original to the gun. I used my allen wrench to loosen right grip and then tighten, applying less torque in doing so.
2. I took off to the range and mailed my warranty card for the Robar model enroute.
3. First things first: The first shot was taken with only one cartridge in battery, magazine removed. My thinking was to diminish issues like FTF, FTE and slide travel. Robar R9 went "boom", slide returned perfectly and trigger did not seize.
4. I racked the slide and shot 3 more rounds, each without incident. Happiness is a warm gun.
5. There isn't really a #5 comment but it is my favorite number so I just decided to use it anyway.

Conclusion: The most important role for my R9 is to carry it. I shoot little in the manner I have described elsewhere. However, it is imperative that the R9 I carry works. The Robar RR model I just obtained is easily the finest Rohrbaugh gun I have owned in the 5 I have purchased. This morning's session was very important to me. If problems ensue in future I will return it to the factory. Alternatively, if shooting is the "cure", I am on my way. Thank you once again for your support.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: tracker on August 13, 2009, 02:49:02 PM
Congratulations and thanks for keeping us informed. It must
be a great relief to see a thing of beauty function well.

After all, it is a "fire" arm and it passed the acid test.

Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 13, 2009, 02:54:08 PM
ACP.  Great to hear it goes BANG.  Excellent.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 13, 2009, 04:26:03 PM
"I love it when a plan comes together!"  8)
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Fat Boy on August 13, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
congrats, beautiful gun, wish I could buy another.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Reinz on August 14, 2009, 05:54:31 AM
Great news!  

Keep it runnin'

Reinz
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 14, 2009, 08:09:45 PM
 ACP glad things are working out, I know I was concerned when mine came back from being groomed, wondering if there would be an issue. Hope everything keeps working smooth.
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 14, 2009, 08:55:46 PM
We're on the same side, John, and thank you for your concern.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 18, 2009, 11:29:02 PM
 ACP, done any more shooting with your pup?
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 19, 2009, 09:20:14 AM
John,

No is the answer to your question. It has been an unusually cool and rainy summer in New England and I haven't gone to range much. However, heat and humidity have finally caught up with us and I am more likely cooling off by staying indoors or swimming in the river that goes through the property.

I am an autumn guy and that is around the corner. That is when I shoot the most, before leaves fall and it gets too cold.

My initial concern about my Robar R9 has gone away. That was a tendency for the trigger to stick when I dry fired it. So, my Robar R9 is carried everywhere I go and I stare at it, in admiration, about 37 times a day.

Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 19, 2009, 03:05:24 PM
ACP:

I "exercised" my R9 Monday afternoon and, as usual, was awed by this extraordinary pistol. And after more than five years, I also find myself admiring it many times during the course of each day. To be truthful, this R9 of mine has just about achieved what might be described as "talisman status" for me.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 19, 2009, 04:51:54 PM
It does have that supernatural capacity for sure.  I just like opening the case and looking at it, sometimes not even picking it up.  Weird?.....I don't think so.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 19, 2009, 06:55:56 PM
When I open the case of the R9 I carry it is not there. I'm wearing it.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 19, 2009, 07:42:07 PM
I don't wear mine around the house.   Maybe I should.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 19, 2009, 08:26:13 PM
KJT:

I am always mindful that home invasions usually happen very quickly, can be very violent, and are nearly always unexpected. A weapon stored in its case or in a safe may do one little good under such circumstances. An R9 in the pocket is quite another matter.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 19, 2009, 09:20:28 PM
My bachelors degree is in English. I am a passionate reader. Every night I put the book I am reading on the end table, next to my bed, and my gun on top of my book.

Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 19, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
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KJT:

I am always mindful that home invasions usually happen very quickly, can be very violent, and are nearly always unexpected. A weapon stored in its case or in a safe may do one little good under such circumstances. An R9 in the pocket is quite another matter.

Richard.  That's good advice.  We live in a quite community in NC  and while in Ga. live in a place that reminds me of your Critter Creek, with deep woods all around.  Probably all the more reason to carry while at home.  I will start carrying mine in the house.    Thanks.



Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 19, 2009, 10:55:47 PM
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My bachelors degree is in English. I am a passionate reader. Every night I put the book I am reading on the end table, next to my bed, and my gun on top of my book.


ACP.  I do have a .45 in a holster strapped to my bedpost  and it lives there, easily accessable.  I will, however, start carrying the R9 around the house during waking hours, and probably some,  the new Glock 33.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 20, 2009, 07:27:39 AM
The extraordinary thing about the R9 is that, while it is chambered for the full 9mm Parabellum cartridge, it is so light in weight and so small in size that it can be carried concealed on the person at all times and in all places where it is legally permissible to do so. I find that . . . comforting.  
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 20, 2009, 07:56:02 AM
Very much so!
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 20, 2009, 11:00:22 AM
 The only time I see a problem is when kj is wearing his Speedo briefs at the beach ;D
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 20, 2009, 11:05:30 AM
Definitely a problem!   ;D    ;D
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: Richard S on August 20, 2009, 11:27:59 AM
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The only time I see a problem is when kj is wearing his Speedo briefs at the beach ;D
John


This belongs to my wife. She calls it "Bitty Bit." It might work for "Speedo concealment."  ;D

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/NAA.jpg)
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 20, 2009, 02:17:47 PM
I have two similar to that but with stock grips; one is my wife's.  I'll have to try it with the speedos.   ;D    ;D
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 20, 2009, 03:57:10 PM
kj you are starting to make my minds eye hurt ;D
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: kjtrains on August 20, 2009, 06:35:23 PM
I understand!   ;D    ;D
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 20, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
Having said that I think it would look a lot better on you than on me :o ;D
John
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: ACP on August 20, 2009, 09:43:43 PM
Aren't we getting a little silly with this speedo stuff?

Just for the record, girls hate guys wearing speedos. Instead, they like their men to have hot abs but wear baggy "surfer" swim suits.

Hey; I was getting a haircut and read it in a magazine; one which I would not buy for myself as I prefer magazines that deal with firearms, antiques and fine art.
Title: Re: The Pup has returned home
Post by: yankee2500 on August 20, 2009, 10:39:08 PM
Well I guess I'm out of luck, the only time I have hot abs is when the heating pad is on there, and the baggy "surfer" swim suit is probably better left for the guys with the abs.
Thanks for setting us straight.
John