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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: profiler999 on January 28, 2010, 12:10:04 PM
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How does it kick compared to...say a Ruger LCP .380? I find the Ruger a nice size but painful to shoot.
I cannot hit a barn at 15' with the LCP. How do y'all experienced owners feel about accuracy?
Regards,
From a newbie on the board.
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profiler. Welcome to the Forum. The recoil of the R9 is stout but not uncomfortable. Accuracy is quite good at 15' with Winchester 115 gr. Silvertips. That being said, the R9 is a defensive weapon and not a range gun; to be carried alot and shot little.
I'll have to defer to others on the difference in recoil of a Ruger .380 and the R9. The .380 should be less.
For most, shooting the R9, alot at the range at one time can be uncomfortable. I shoot a .454 a bunch, so the recoil of the R9 is minimal to me. Again, welcome.
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profiler999, welcome!
The recoil of an R9 is substantial, but more than manageable. The only gun, I've fired with more felt recoil is a friends tiny 5 shot .357 magnum, which hurts your hand after firing only one .357 round. The R9 is way less. My hand doesn't start to hurt until I've fired 18+ rounds.
Accuracy is great with the R9. Not as good as with my larger 9mm or my 45. I can easily keep all my shots on the paper at 25 feet and most within 3 or 4 inches.
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I have a Glock 33 .357 Sig which seems like an R9 on steroids; still comfortable to shoot. I can go through 50 rds. with 4+ mags in nothing flat. Just a comparison of an R9 and a Glock 33.
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How does it kick compared to...say a Ruger LCP .380? I find the Ruger a nice size but painful to shoot.
I cannot hit a barn at 15' with the LCP. How do y'all experienced owners feel about accuracy?
I haven't shot an LCP, but the R9 is eminently controllable, and has the same felt recoil (to me) of an S&W Airlite loaded with 38 +P rounds. It's stiff, snappy, noticeable -- but I don't consider it "punishing" or "brutal" or "zowie." (Those are words that describe the Airlite shooting full-house .357 rounds -- which I did once, and probably won't do again.)
I'm still learning to shoot mine, but I did achieve a "reasonable" seven-shot group at 21' (7 yards). I have a tendency to pull left, which isn't the R9's fault. All in all, accuracy is more than sufficient for an SD gun, even when I'm shooting it.
Ron
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My R9 hasn't arrived yet, but I plan on using both hands for the first few rounds.
With my LCP, I practice left-handed, right-handed, and with both hands.
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Recluse. Welcome to the Forum. Congratulaions on ordering the R9. You'll really like this little gem. Again, welcome.
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R9 is brutal and after 2-mag I am done--for the 380 ruger you can shoot all day. R9 is about 2-3 inches in dia for 21 feet for me. and is centered.
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I find the kick to be a non issue with the pup, I had a S&W 340SS and with full power 357mag ammo, now that was recoil.
I didn't get rid of it because of the recoil though, I'm just not big on revolvers for CC.
John
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Welcome to newcomers and great discussion. I find R9 comfortable to shoot but agree with kjtrains as to R9's intended use; carry much and shoot little. This, of course, is encouraged by the factory.
Since we are comparing other guns, I find the recoil of the Ruger .327 magnum to be stout but "rewarding" if that makes sense. Concur with Yankee that I prefer auto to revolver but the Ruger .327 is a great self defense round. I have a DeSantis holster for it, though I do not carry it nearly as often as my R9.
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Never had a .327, but agree on the auto for CC. I carried a sub nose .38 for a long time in a front pocket holster. Never a problem.
Times change, then came the Seecamp, then the R9. The .38 now sees no duty.
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What is remarkable about the .327 magnum is the recoil. The Ruger SP101, with 3" barrel, is all SS and weighs substantially more than the R9. Ruger quality is conspicuous; the best I have ever owned. But, I hate the front sight which is too high, (like S&W revolvers), and accuracy suffers.
I am not suggesting that the .327 magnum is going to challenge the .454 Casull but recoil is stout, given the weight of the gun.
S&W plans to come out with a J frame .327 magnum but I wouldn't hold my breath. And, if they use that lightweight alloy, I wouldn't want to own one.
For me, as with my other revolvers, they are taken to the range more often than carried.
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Priofiler999:
I think I may have previously welcomed you to the Forum, but if not I do so now.
With the caveat that felt recoil is highly subjective, I find the recoil of my R9 to be crisp but entirely manageable. Keeping a firm grip is important to avoid what is sometimes called "limp wristing." A 13-ounce pistol chambered for 9mm Parabellum needs a firm "platform" (read "grip") to function properly.
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How does it kick compared to...say a Ruger LCP .380? I find the Ruger a nice size but painful to shoot.
I cannot hit a barn at 15' with the LCP. How do y'all experienced owners feel about accuracy?
Regards,
From a newbie on the board.
Profiler999. Just wondered if you had an R9 in your life yet?
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I CC a glock 29 with 200gr 1250 hp - I am comfortable with it single handed on strong side, but don't think I can manage much more recoil than that with a single hand. If the r9 is worse, then I might have to get on one of those strength programs you all been talking about :'(
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I really don't think you'll have a problem with recoil of an R9. Recoil is stout but manageable. That's just my thoughts, of course.
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I really don't think you'll have a problem with recoil of an R9. Recoil is stout but manageable. That's just my thoughts, of course.
Just thought, I shoot a .454 Alaskan a bunch, one handed, and my thoughts as to recoil may not matter. Another way to put it is, the recoil of the R9 is not a concern to me.
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A few posts back on this string the Glock 29 was mentioned; a gun I previously owned and enjoyed. I disliked the cost of the ammo more than the recoil of the gun. Stout? Yes, but enjoyable. As stated previously I don't like double stack guns but Glocks are great.
Recoil of R9, of which we all tend to agree is substantial, (because of size and weight of the gun), but very rewarding, if that is the right word. At least it is for me.
Here's this beautiful little gun that packs a great punch. What's not to love?
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If you can carry a Glock 29 you can definitely handle the recoil of the R9.
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I definitely agree. I didn't realize the Glock 29 was a 10mm, so looked it up. That being said, you should have no problem.
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Profiler999. Just wondered if you had an R9 in your life yet?
No not yet. I have not found one that has thrown me over the edge, so to speak. I'll get there when the right deal comes along I guess. Summer is approaching in the south and I'll try to step down to something smaller from my glock 27 just due the fact that shorts, t-shirts and flip flops are standard wear.
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Hope you find a good deal. Good luck, for sure!
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Thank you for approbation of "carrying a model 29
Glock". However, I owned that gun when I resided in NJ; the home of horrible gun laws in which you can only carry your (unloaded) gun to and from the range. CCW does not exist in that rancid state in which I spent much of my life and career.
I think kjtrains has me beat with the .454 Casull but the 10MM Glock, in compact configuration, was serious business.
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The 10mm. I'm going to have to look into this jewel. Stirring up some interest here.
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The glock 29 was my first gun. When I got others they were like cap guns compared to what I was accustomed to with the g29 (except my .50 cal DE, of course). But the g29 is still my gun of choice - controllable with practise, has never failed to fire and is incredibly accurate with devastating effect (200gr @1250fps) - just doesn't slip well into a front/back pocket. I got a g26 but it is only slightly smaller than g29 and hence my interest in the robars. All the talk of the r9s being stout just had me worried - you guys have put my mind at ease - thanks.
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Check on ammo first; I always coveted the Colt Delta Elite Gold Cup but didn't pursue it. Now, maybe an MP10--that would be something.
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The wife and I have 10mm colt delta elites - they shoot smoother and a little more accurate than g29, but not nearly as concealable. As for the ammo - its not quite as bad if you buy it in bulk (1k rounds orders from doubletap), and its not really expensive compared to the 50 cal rounds for my M82A1 rifle - now every time I get a bulk order of that gives my wallet cramps. :'(
(Nomad <-- if he had an ounce of brains he would stop being lazy and hand load)
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You and KJ have some light artillery machines.
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The 50 caliber rds. sure aren't cheap.
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Check on ammo first; I always coveted the Colt Delta Elite Gold Cup but didn't pursue it. Now, maybe an MP10--that would be something.
I usually get the ammo first. That sort of paves the way for my getting the weapon. That's just me.
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If you are thinking about the 10mm you might want to start looking tomorrow unless you are fond of CCI Blazer.
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That settles that! I will look, though.
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Strongly identify with kjtrains buying ammo first; something I have done multiple times in my gun collecting. In fact, I bought a box of 10MM before I got the Glock 29.
I was motivated by the Bren Ten; a gun I pursued but never found. When Glock came out with the model 29, I decided to see how the cartridge performed and enjoyed it for a few years.
I am also fascinated with old hyphenated cartridges and I bought a box of 25-35 prior to finding a vintage Model 55 Winchester in that caliber. Ditto, .327 magnum, before I found the Ruger SP101, which, at the time, was new to the market.
Buying ammo for a gun you do not own is kind of like buying a suit to match your tie. However, by purchasing the ammo for a gun not yet owned, I found it a mechanism to channel the purchase of the gun "to fit the ammo already purchased"; wink, wink.
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The ammo purchase first is definitely an avenue, for me, to make a more serious venture into getting the weapon. It's worked for me on most every gun I have.
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The gentle persuader to culminate the gun purchase; I try to do something similar in buying the best sporting equipment to spur me on to use it.
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That settles that! I will look, though.
I going to check Bass Pro Shops here in Ga. for the 10mm. We'll see!
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My crystal ball sees a Glock 29 in KJ's future.
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kjtrains: I am not a naysayer but you already have the Glock 33, in .357 Sig. 10MM is more powerful than .357, (an excellent cartridge and superior to the .40S&W), but do you really need the Model 29?
I am your conscience. Pay no attention to what I have written if the butterflies in your belly supercede my thoughts.
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ACP. It's just one of those "want" things. I like powerful stuff. You're right. Don't really need it.
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I find it so much easier to be someone else's conscience than my own.
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kjtrains, if you like power, than you will love the g29.
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Well, I have the Glock 33 .357 sig and have just read that the .357 sig comes very close to the .357 mag, but the 10mm does not. Says in velocity maybe, but actual delivered power, no. With that being said, I will hold pat on the 10mm for now.
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Oh come on, KJ; I was looking for another virtual experience--check out the HK MP10--might get you stoked up.
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I find it so much easier to be someone else's conscience than my own.
I agree. Does work much easier!
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Oh come on, KJ; I was looking for another virtual experience--check out the HK MP10--might get you stoked up.
Tracker. I'm sold on the Glock. Don't know the first thing about the HK MP10.
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Here is an example:
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2400/2419.htm
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I would have a problem CCing a mp10 me thinks. :-/
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Wow! Don't care for the look, however. :( :(
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I would have a problem CCing a mp10 me thinks. :-/
It would be hard to fit in a front pocket holster! ;D ;D
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You might change your mind if you saw one; even the SP-89 is impressive in 9mm.
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I'm sure. Just don't know anything about these.
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Well, I have the Glock 33 .357 sig and have just read that the .357 sig comes very close to the .357 mag, but the 10mm does not. Says in velocity maybe, but actual delivered power, no. With that being said, I will hold pat on the 10mm for now.
lol - I read pretty much the opposite - excerpt -"Some commercial loadings are as follows: .357 Mag: 584 ft·lbf (792 J) for 125 gr @ 1450 ft/s; 10mm: 750 ft·lbf (1,020 J) for 200 gr @ 1300 ft/s;[19] .41 Mag: 788 ft·lbf (1,068 J) for 210 gr @ 1,300 ft/s (400 m/s). "
My position is I don't know what is more powerful - and I expect most of the forum "experts" don't really know either. Find what you are happy with (10 mm in my case) and be happy (as long as its not .22)
Note: Of course I was not referring to THIS forum's experts :-*
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The 10mm is definitely a stopper.
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The article I read did say the 10mm had more knock down power, and the .357 Sig would just go through the mass like a piece of paper.
Since I have the .357 Sig, I'll just hold my wants at bay for the time being.