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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: imthduke on July 01, 2010, 06:36:27 PM
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You guys gota read this thread...this guy says that Rohrbaugh says, after 150 rds that the R9 starts to fall apart.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4135895&posted=1#post4135895
It's ignorance like this that drives me crazy....
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I just pay them NO ATTENTION! :)
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I try to, but when they quote Karl Rohrbaugh, that he said, the R9 has a lifetime of about 150 rds....the ridiculously absurd is hard to ignore.
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But people will say anything to get others riled up. It seems to fuel their ego. They usually won't talk to themselves. :)
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I like to feed the fire a little, and then not bother with there small minds. ;D
John
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;D
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Duke:
I'm not a member of that forum, but the poor misguided soul should probably be informed that the R9 is not a "blowback" design. ::)
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I just registered and posted something about the R9. I can't believe anyone would believe such a tall tale - 150 rounds and it starts to fall apart... and people believe this? Rubs me wrong I guess.
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I think that rubs us all the wrong way. Just have to consider the source.
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Dan:
That was a good post. The individual in question reminds me of the old maxim, "Often wrong, but never in doubt."
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Dan. That was a good post. Maybe those folks will now put their thinking caps on before chiming in again about the R9.
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Dan your da man ;D
I saved your post it was so spot on :)
His response was you better get your grammar improved...yeah right....never mind his wrong facts....that was only hearsay.
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hey danny, just saw your post. i agree that this guy is so misinformed. i have been reading the firing line for years but never joined. this time, i just couldn't let it go. please see post so they can finally understand the concepts.
just amazed at how much crap is out there
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Thanks for you guys that posted.
If someone doesn't like an R9....I am cool with that...like whatever gun that cranks your tractor.
However, when you begin to dissiminate so call "facts" that are clearly wrong and untrue....you need to be called on it.
I think some of this stuff comes from people who have never actually owned an R9, but they had a buddy that let them shot his once, and their buddy sold his because it was junk after 150 rds or those that just want to trash what they know it a quality fire arm.
Oh yeah, did I tell you that I had a buddy that let me drive his battle ship once.....he sold that sucker because it's guns jammed ever 5 rds. ;D
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Whenever I see a post like that I'm going to respond with some facts. You know, I've been introducing people to the R9 when I'm at a range or visiting friends... and everyone is really impressed with the product. It really is the ultimate pocket gun.
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Doctor Ward:
Great post over there. And now those of us who try to keep track of such things (such as this proud owner of "No. 132") know who has that rare "No. 3." 8)
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Richard. Great information, and yes an outstanding post from Dr. Ward; amazing now to know who owns the "3"!
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I caught that also. For some reason I'm thinking its his third R9 and not serial #3. But then again I have been up for 38 hours now and thinking may not be at its best right now.
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Corey:
Dr. Ward is one of the original investors in the company and I believe served as a consultant with respect to the pistol's design in relation to the orthopedics of the human hand. I wouldn't be surprised if he had multiple R9s, but I think we now know who owns "No. 3."
Now, I have only a J.D., not an M.D. degree, but after 38 hours it's time for you to get some sleep! 8)
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Good night Corey ;D
John
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I re-read it with both eyes and I see I was wrong. Hope to sleep tonight but that depends on how my wife is doing. Were in the hospital dealing with blood clots in her lungs.
Wow, #3! DROOOOOOOOOOL
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This is really big of this guy....sure Rohrbaugh is waiting with baited breath for him to give his ultimate approval of the R9 ;D
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the r9 and r380 is a LOCKED BREECH design, not the blow back. we have a 250th inch free bore and almost 60th lockup. the reason that the seacamp and the guardian hurt so much is due to their blow back design.
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NOW, to further clarify , THIS GUN DOES NOT FALL APART AFTER 150 ROUNDS. since it is this small and the tolerances are tight, we (rohrbaughs) recommend cleaning maintainance etc. this is not a range gun, but i use it like that anyway.
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Well, I'll take that as authoritative! The reviews on the gun have been mixed and none of them (that I've read) speak of a locked breech, nor is that a selling point on your website - something you could and should correct.
I (and a lot of other people) dismiss even pocket sized .380 blowbacks, which explains the popularity of the Mustang and the new P238 among people who are willing to pay a bit more for well designed guns.
So, thanks for stepping up, and perhaps as production ramps up and prices drop I may even take one of your guns home. I'll buy the extra springs in advance.
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I re-read it with both eyes and I see I was wrong. Hope to sleep tonight but that depends on how my wife is doing. Were in the hospital dealing with blood clots in her lungs.
Wow, #3! DROOOOOOOOOOL
Corey. Sorry to hear about your wife. Sure hope she's doing better.
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I get no respect.
I don't have #3 but I do have a very rare R9. I have # 1730 ;D It is rare because it was the only 1730 made.
You have any idea what happened in 1730?
Benjamin Franklin married Miss Read. Of course you knew that....so you could say I have the Ben Franklin Commemorative edition R9 ;D
Well, I could.
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Corey:
No wonder you have been up for so long! I've been in similar straits with my own beloved wife. You and yours are in my thoughts and prayers.
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I get no respect.
I don't have #3 but I do have a very rare R9. I have # 1730 ;D It is rare because it was the only 1730 made.
You have any idea what happened in 1730?
Benjamin Franklin married Miss Read. Of course you knew that....so you could say I have the Ben Franklin Commemorative edition R9 ;D
Well, I could.
Duke:
What you have there in No. 1730 is the very rare "Baron von Steuben Commemorative." Without him, George Washington might not have been able to hold the Continental Army together at Valley Forge and lead it to ultimate victory in the Revolutionary War. 8)
http://wiki.w2n.net/pages/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben.w2n
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Let's hear it for the Baron.
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Hear, Hear!
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Duke:
What you have there in No. 1730 is the very rare "Baron von Steuben Commemorative." Without him, George Washington might not have been able to hold the Continental Army together at Valley Forge and lead it to ultimate victory in the Revolutionary War. 8)
http://wiki.w2n.net/pages/Friedrich_Wilhelm_von_Steuben.w2n
Hey I like this even better...a dual Commemorative....I did some research on the internet....I know it's true because it was there in print...this gun is the rare Ben Von Steubfranklin ;D
How did I get so lucky.
You guys with the low serial #s just eat your hearts out. ;D
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Corey,
All the best to your wife, I hope she makes a quick and complete recovery.
And if you need someone to watch and feed the pups let me know, I would be happy to do that. ;D
John
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Corey:
Dr. Ward is one of the original investors in the company and I believe served as a consultant with respect to the pistol's design in relation to the orthopedics of the human hand. I wouldn't be surprised if he had multiple R9s, but I think we now know who owns "No. 3."
Now, I have only a J.D., not an M.D. degree, but after 38 hours it's time for you to get some sleep! 8)
#3 with 3K rounds..I guess that has a nice ring to it!! ;)
He most likely has replacements available!! 8)
Corey,I agree with Richard,get some rest or you won't be good to anyone,trust me ,I know of what I speak..
Give your wife the best for me,and I will send some prayers your way..
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Thanks guys for the thoughts and prayers. I just got a hour and half nap and feel like a king. I do still look forward to a real nights rest. My wife is doing better tonight so things are looking up.
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So glad to hear it, Corey; I can empathize with you and know how difficult it can be. Your loved one's health puts everything else on the back burner.
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best wishes Corey.
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Corey. Glad your wife is doing better. Our thoughts and prayers are with her. Hope you get some rest.
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Anyone care to respond to this email that was posted on another board? The question being, is the R9 a locked breach or a blowback design?
An e-mail from 2003.
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"Thanks for inquiring about our new firearm. We are just about ready to go into production with shipments to begin in June. We will be filling orders received over the past year first so it may be a little while before you get to see one at your local dealer unless they had ordered one early on. If they did, chances are that you will see one in their showcase by the end of June. There is one question I must ask you, where do you live? There are some states that are not "gun friendly" so I hope you are in a "good" state. "Unfriendly States" will be waiting longer for the R-9 to arrive, if at all. The MSRP for the R-9 is $945.00. It comes with two magazines. The R-9 is a locked breach delayed blowback design. Hope I have answered your questions for now, any further questions feel free to eMail or phone me at 1-631-847-3999 or toll free at 1-800-803-2233.
Best Regards,
Eric C. Rohrbaugh
V.P./ Sec.
Rohrbaugh Firearms"
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The R9 manual states that it is a locked breech design.
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I really don't understand the difference between a blowback design and a "delayed blowback". A poster was insisting that it was a blowback, so I am sure this email will galvanize his opinion to that effect.
As I understand the two designs: the pure blowback design has a fixed barrel. Is that correct?
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That is correct.
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And to expand tracker's remarks; here is the manual, scroll to page 3.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/pdf/owners_manual.pdf
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Here is more discussion, maybe more than anyone wants to read but it is thorough.
http://yarchive.net/gun/pistol/blowback_vs_locked.html
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Perhaps this from page 2 of the current Owner's Instruction Manual:
[size=10]That brought us to the reliability issue. Regardless of advances in technology, the common denominator of reliability remains simplicity. The fewer things there are that can go wrong, the fewer there are that may go wrong at the worst possible moment. By adapting the time-tested locked breech mechanism to a design utilizing state of the art materials for strength and weight, and by eliminating the frills and “gizmos” of many current semi-automatic pistols, we have tried to create as completely a reliable weapon as possible. [Emphasis added.][/size]
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/pdf/owners_manual.pdf
The description of locked-breech vs. straight-blowback designs attributed to Charles Petty at the following link may also be of interest:
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?action=printpage;topic=55562.0
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Note: I was working on the above post when Tracker and KJ posted their excellent responses.
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Yep! I just read that. It is thorough.
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Thanks so much for that very complete information.
One additional question. Why would Karl Rohrbaugh in his email classify the R9 as a "locked breach blowback design"?
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If Eric is quoted correctly, he said "locked breech delayed blow back", quite different from straight blow back. The manual just says locked breech.
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Thanks so much for that very complete information.
One additional question. Why would Karl Rohrbaugh in his email classify the R9 as a "locked breach blowback design"?
I believe that is Eric's email and I don't know.
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Maybe part of the confusion here is that a locked breech can incorporate a delayed blow back but a straight blowback can never be a locked breech. Here is some more discussion on this subject.
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Blowback_(arms)
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Good point!
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Just did 400+ rounds today and my R9 is far from falling apart, it devoured everything I put in it and I didn't even clean it or change the spring. Step back nonbelievers.
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#3 R9 has 3000 rds. through it in 6 years; at this rate you will surpass him in seven more range visits.