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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: scubadds on August 16, 2010, 11:53:59 AM
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Don't laugh, I realize lots of you guys have been carrying consistantly for years.....
I bought my R9S last month and the day I received it I began carrying it daily. So far its only day 18 days, but I've learned a few things. I started out in back pocket carry. I've had it in a nemesis loaner holster most of the time.
I've moved to a front pocket carry. I found the rear pocket to work fine, but it gets a little hot back there on hot days. I think there is more movement and pressure when sitting when its in a rear pocket.
I thought printing would be less in the rear pocket, but at this point I think its a draw (pun intended).
You can tell you have something in your front pocket, but it isn't distinct enough to tell what it is.
I have ordered a split design from Meco. I believe it to be interchangable between front and rear.
The Rohrbaugh is exactly what I need. I might sell a few revolvers and get one more.
On a side note;
My wife pointed out something to me that I've never heard or thought about. (which I was honestly surprised she knew something about guns that I didn't)
I was showing her my airweight bodyguard compared to the Rohrbaugh. She said she had heard children shoot themselves with revolvers commonly because they tend to use their thumbs to depress the trigger, so they turn the gun around towards themselves; use both thumbs and shoot themselves. Not sure if that's true, but it makes perfect sense to me. Also the lack of safety on revolvers is scary (some do have child locks, but doubt many people use those as if they needed the gun such a lock is not easy to turn off in the middle of the night or quickly)
I have two small boys, I found that I feel very comfortable knowing that they can't possible cock the slide to load a round into the Rohrbaugh. (I consider that a form of a safety)
If anyone has insights into better holster style from Meco, speak now or forever hold your piece....(one last pun)
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welcome to the forum and the world of carry. It sure feels good to know that you have options. while it's OK to have a pistol in the house with kids with the tube un loaded I would not carry it that way. Tom
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Bryan. Thanks for the update. Congrats on ordering the Meco holster. Continue to enjoy the little wonder. Good info.
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welcome to the forum and the world of carry. It sure feels good to know that you have options. while it's OK to have a pistol in the house with kids with the tube un loaded I would not carry it that way. Tom
While there have been studies showing carrying "Israilie style" (empty chamber, rack slide upon draw) is just as fast as a full load; I have to agree with Tom, I would not carry that way either - racking the slide is opening the door for Mr Murphy one more time than needed.
Maybe leave the chamber empty only in the house for the safety of the kids.
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch teaches to aways check the chamber before you pack and unpack Everyday, anyway.
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I wonder what the carry weapon of the Mossad is now? They have used the Beretta Bobcat very effectively in some covert "wet work."
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I am in agreement with Tom and Reinz, always carry with one in the pipe, no time to think about racking the slide and hoping the round chambers correctly. In the house empty chamber would be a good safety measure.
John
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I think it was unanimus on another thread to always carry with one in the chamber; in the house with small kids, another story.
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Good advice,
I will do some testing on times of draw vs. draw and cock and report back.
I had to leave the pup in the truck for a few moments (went into bank) and my wife got in and let the kids free range in the truck (you know when you get in the car and all the buttons have been pressed and your windshield wipers are blazing)
I noticed the gun went from holstered to unholstered while I was gone. I commented and she said the 4 year old found it. He did not "play" with it once he knew it was a gun as he has been told. But it scared me enough that I will just have to deal with carrying unchambered.
I wonder also, constantly chambering and unchambering a round might induce some problems. I feel like I've seen some rounds get chewed up and smashed some. Maybe I am thinking of .223/5.56; maybe I am off on this one. But I have to go with the odds, odds are greater of an accident chambered; than the chances I would need to draw quick and not be able to chamber. Now if I were LE or in a "higher" threat environment I would no doubt chamber a round.
Of course I will listen to counter points, but that's where I am with it presently......thanks guys for sharing the wisdom!
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I can understand your situation completely. Best do as you described.
One thing about chambering and unchambering; the mind can forget, in a panic, what the circumstance is; if you're trained one way, then try to do another, a varible is thrown in.
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I would buy a Gun Vault and a cable lock. Keep the Rohrbaugh, chamber loaded, on your person, or in the Gun Vault, either in the house or cable locked to a seat base in the car.
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There again, you know Murphy's Law, especially where small kids are present.
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Scubadds,
If I had small children living with me I would do at least the same thing you are doing. When my grandchildren visit, even the R9 goes out of reach because the risk just isn't worth it. The reasons for carrying one in the chamber are all valid but you have go with your conscience.
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Maybe I'm weird, but my first thought was, why take the gun off because of the bank?
In Texas thats not a problem.
And yes you are right Scubadds, constantly chambering the same ammo back and forth tears it up both at the nose and the rim.
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Maybe I'm weird, but my first thought was, why take the gun off because of the bank?
In Texas thats not a problem.
And yes you are right Scubadds, constantly chambering the same ammo back and forth tears it up both at the nose and the rim.
In some states, you can't carry a firearm into a financial institution. NC is one. :(
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In some states, you can't carry a firearm into a financial institution. NC is one. :(
OK then, that makes sense now. :)
Thanks
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Welcome to the new member and this is an intersting thread. I am one of the few who carries with an empty chamber, although I do not have kids or grandkids to justify this concern.
For me, I live in such a sparsely located state in the northern New England woods, the need to carry with a round in the chamber is less acute. Were I to live in a more populous state; Texas, Florida, NC, et. al., I would probably carry with a loaded chamber.
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It doesn't make any sense to me because a bank is one of the main places where concealed carry may be a deterrent to crime. Texas has this one right.
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I wish Texas would pass on their good merits to NC. Sometimes very hard to remember to leave it in the vehicle after carrying everywhere else.
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I carry in my bank where I have a brokerage account and am well known, to include the fact that I carry concealed.
In my state, the two proscribed carry zones are schools and government offices.
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I would buy a Gun Vault and a cable lock. Keep the Rohrbaugh, chamber loaded, on your person, or in the Gun Vault, either in the house or cable locked to a seat base in the car.
I have a gun vault next to my bed and in my truck. If I have to keep it in the truck it's in the vault. I keep one in the pipe and don't have to worry about my daughter or one of her friends ever getting their hands on it for what ever reason.....
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It is wisdom that wins here. Make sure it is used.
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I have one of the gun vaults with the cable in my vehicle, I use it occasionally when going into a no carry zone, (State or Federal office building, Post office with metal detectors) It's handy to have. No worries at home everything is loaded and ready for action.
John
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Use that wisdom, John! ;D
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In some states, you can't carry a firearm into a financial institution. NC is one. :(
It's only a crime if you get caught... and if you're concealing properly, it's pretty tough to get caught. Not encouraging anyone to break the law here of course; I'm just saying that if someone were so inclined, he'd probably get away with it.
Pretty much the only situation where it'll become evident you're carrying is when you're forced to use the gun. And if you're forced to use the gun, unlawful carry is probably a small concern.
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I have forgot, and carried in such a place, without any problems, however, if they have metal detectors that would be a different story.
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Definitely. I've had to turn around and go back to the car because of metal detectors before.
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At the state capitol building in Austin those with CHLs are given a pass around the metal detectors, avoiding long lines. You guessed it; many people who never would have considered carrying a weapon before have acquired CHLs to avoid the lines.
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same deal at the Texas State Fair. Tom
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tracker:
Does "CHL" stand for Concealed Handgun License? That is my guess.
My town is so small, and my state so sparsely populated, that there are few metal detectors. Although I am not advocating breaking the law, I often find myself going to the post office while carrying, unconcerned that this is not legal. Metal detector? Uh uh.
Something that is not addressed here is carrying at work. In my travels, to companies with pro-gun laws, I remember seeing signs that would outlaw concealed carry at the work space.
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CHL is concealed handgun license. An employer in Texas has the right to prohibit guns in their workplace if they post the proper notification.
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Same thing in NC and some stores have the no guns signs.
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New Jersey has an implied "no carry" sign over its entire border. NJ state motto is (partially) borrowed from New Hampshire; "Live Free Or Die". In New Jersey, it is shortened to "Die".
My brother, an MD, got "sick and tired of lawyers and HMOs", left his medical practice and bought an upscale country inn, restaurant and pub. Following my corporate buyout, some years ago, I resettled here, finally discovered what CCW is all about and I carry a gun to work.
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You probably don't watch the TV series, "Jersey Shore."
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tracker: CORRECT. Jersey Shore is an embarrassment. It says something about our culture when we make celebrities out of drunken kids whose behavior deserves scorn instead of attention.
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Having never watched it either, I agree with you. A friend of mine and Dermatologist retired to a farm outside of Fairfield Vt.
His name is Troy Felber and quite a nice guy if you're in that area and run across him.
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tracker: I can't find Fairfield on my Vermont atlas. I live within the Green Mountain Nat'l Forest; south central Vermont about 35 miles south of the Calvin Coolidge National Site. (Do we need Cal now, or what?)
My atlas lists a Fairfax but not a Fairfield. Fairfield, NJ? Got it. Fairfield, Connecticut? No problem. Fairfield, Vt? Uh uh.
As to Jersey Shore, and all "reality shows" what is it that people do not understand? When you place a camera in front of them, "reality" is distorted, at best, if not outright contrived.
Trivia contest for Texas residents only: What state, besides Texas, was a Republic prior to statehood?
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Hawaii?
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My mistake on Fairfield, a town or village in Vermont close to St. Albans, it is Fair Haven, close to Rutland and West Haven.
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I'm not from Texas, but how about Vermont, and briefly California.
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Hawaii it is: 1894-1898.
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I think you are also correct, KJ; maybe the Republic of Mexico will be next by border crossing consensus. These dog days of August and slow news days are difficult.
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I've been meaning to ask you, tracker, know anything about Beeville, Texas. I know of Hensley's Cafe' and Tea Room and that it's about 13,000 population, and that's about it for me.
I had a neighbor to move there about two months ago. He's a Baptist preacher and got his first church there in Beeville. How close is that to Houston? Just curious.
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The earliest Republic was Vermont. New York and New Hampshire were fighting over territorial rights for Vermont.
The green mountain boys fought them and established the Republic of Vermont.
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Other than some Navy friends based at NAS Chase Field, a former Navy Jet training base, I don't know much about it. William Chase Stephenson, a NY architect, is responsible for many of the buildings there. I know that Bush 41 hunted quail there on a friend's ranch. My guess in today's times is that it is very challenging economically but it is not too far from the King Ranch. There are a few very wealthy ranch owners there with enormous oil/gas royalty incomes and a lot of poverty among the general populace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeville,_Texas
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Thanks. I had pulled up that same website back before he moved just didn't know how close to Houston it was.
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My best guess is ~ 275 miles and many years.
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I know Texas is big. Not a very quick trip for the neighbor to get there.
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You could fly to HOU and connect to CRP, rent a car, and drive there if you like.