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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: Paindoctor on August 19, 2010, 09:12:05 PM
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I too, just had the good fortune of purchasing a brand new R9S Stealth Elite from a very reputable dealer in South Florida. Took the pup to my local range, and by golly - the first round wouldn't detonate! Then the third, then the fifth, and so on...It got so scary, because I waited an appropriate length of time, before unchambering the non-fired round, and sometimes there would be smoke inside there, along with what looked like a half detonated live round.
I had the owner of the gun shop - very experienced with Rohrbaugh, etc. shoot some different ammo - self defense rounds and the same things were happening to them. I ultimately packed it in for the day, as I thought by continuing, I would be risking a major injury either to myself, or the gun.
Before I ask for advice - the gun was cleaned, lubricated, different kinds of "correct" ammo was used ( so it's not the ammo), different magazines were used (so it's not the magazines)...it just seemed like the the firing pin was very light on some of these rounds. What do you all think and suggest I do? Also possible is that the rounds weren't being chambered and seating properly?
Any help would be sincerely appreciated. I am going back to the place I purchased tomorrow for his response as well.
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Welcome, Paindoctor: I can feel your pain. Some of us had problems with light strikes on hard primers with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. I don't think that is your case but you didn't stipulate which ammo you used. Small .9mm guns may have a tendency to be light strikers, especially with hard primers. This could be a light hammer spring but I would contact Rohrbaugh first and foremost.
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Paindoctor. Welcome to the Forum. Sorry you're having problems with the Stealth. Sounds like you may have touched on the problem with the light firing pin strikes.
Could be a weak hammer spring, as tracker suggests, don't know. I would call Maria at the factory soon as possible at 1-800-803-2233. She can give you advice or get you an answer on what to do.
Others here on the Forum, too, may know the answer. Again, welcome.
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I would be interested in knowing the type of ammo that was being used.
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Paindoctor, first of all welcome to the forum, although you probably don't feel too happy about things right now, I can assure you that it will work out. Call Maria at Rohrbaugh and she will take it from there. Like you, that smoke floating around in there scares hell out of me. Like you, I was a little unhappy with my first outing. I now have four of them and think that they are the best guns in the world! Gene
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When you go back tomorrow try shooting it again. This time pull the trigger with authority, you dont have to yank it but pull it quickly and see what that does for you.
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Paindoctor (anesthesia or dental service?) I could call the factory and inquire about a light hammer spring and avoid ammo with a reputation for hard primers (were you shooting Hornady CD's). I have two R9's and the only issue I had was a FTF with a "single" gold-dot that also did not fire in my hi power and 92fs, keep us informed.
Mike
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WOW! I can see in a matter of minutes...I am part of a fraternity. All of your comments have been so appreciative, and helpful. I will call Maria tomorrow pronto, and see what she says. I would probably rather have the factory themselves fix it, since they really know the gun better than any one else, such as a community gunsmith, etc.
Keep you posted and thanks again.
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Paindoctor, Welcome to the group. Sorry to hear about your problems and the other replies on the matter seem to have covered all the things I could think of.
A call to Maria will probably bring a satisfactory result.
John
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First, let me also welcome you to the Forum.
Without knowing the brands of ammunition you used or having photographs of the pistol's internals to examine, it is difficult to offer a diagnosis with any certainty. However, it would appear to involve a problem with the firing pin assembly. I would give particular attention to that area to see if I could identify some obstruction there. It could be something simple -- dried lubricant, a brass shard from test firing at the factory, etc.
One thing is certain. If there is a mechanical problem with your R9, the "Team Rohrbaugh" will make it right.
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First, let me also welcome you to the Forum.
Without knowing the brands of ammunition you used or having photographs of the pistol's internals to examine, it is difficult to offer a diagnosis with any certainty. However, it would appear to involve a problem with the firing pin assembly. I would give particular attention to that area to see if I could identify some obstruction there. It could be something simple -- dried lubricant, a brass shard from test firing at the factory, etc.
One thing is certain. If there is a mechanical problem with your R9, the "Team Rohrbaugh" will make it right.
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Welcome to the forum Paindoctor and don't be discouraged.
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WOW! I can see in a matter of minutes...I am part of a fraternity. All of your comments have been so appreciative, and helpful. I will call Maria tomorrow pronto, and see what she says. I would probably rather have the factory themselves fix it, since they really know the gun better than any one else, such as a community gunsmith, etc.
Keep you posted and thanks again.
Good decision, Paindoctor. It will be interesting to see what Maria had to say. Hope all goes well.
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Well, I got through to Maria, and she is definitely knowledgeable about Rohrbaugh. She looked up my serial number, verified that it was, in fact, an Elite and created in 2008.
She told me how to send the gun back to Rohrbaugh for fixing, and I will FedEx it Monday. (She said not to overnight it on a Friday.).
I will keep you all posted along the way, and again - I want to thank each and every one of you. Your support and kind words of encouragement meant a lot to a newbie, who just dropped a bundle (and was very upset and disappointed). The fact that many of you have had kind of similar experiences, only to go on to owning several Rohrbaughs - gives me optimism, and hope.
(and by the way - that's Anesthesia Pain Management to the person who asked).
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They will take care of it and you will be a happy camper. I was wondering about the gun being made in 2008 and your just recently buying it new. That seems like quite a time gap to me.
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PD:
If I were betting, I would put my money on fouling in the firing pin channel due to lubricant gumming during the two years that Elite sat on the shelf. Those Elites are works of functional art.
Please keep us informed.
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Well, I got through to Maria, and she is definitely knowledgeable about Rohrbaugh. She looked up my serial number, verified that it was, in fact, an Elite and created in 2008.
She told me how to send the gun back to Rohrbaugh for fixing, and I will FedEx it Monday. (She said not to overnight it on a Friday.).
I will keep you all posted along the way, and again - I want to thank each and every one of you. Your support and kind words of encouragement meant a lot to a newbie, who just dropped a bundle (and was very upset and dissappointed). The fact that many of you have had kind of similar experiences, only to go on to owning several Rohrbaughs - gives me optimism, and hope.
(and by the that's Anesthesia Pain Management to the person who asked).
Great, Paindoctor. Glad everything is coming together and to find a new Elite from 2008, excellent. You will be proud when it returns, for sure!
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They really are works of functional art. This particular
Stealth Elite model I love, because it reminds me of another gun I own - a Sig P226R Equinox...it has that same mix of steel and black on the slide that gives it a great look.
I will let you all know when they get back to me at Team Rohrbaugh.
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I'm not surprised there are NIB 2008 pups at dealers, if they don't advertise they have one and no one comes in looking, I can see a gun with the price of an Elite sitting on the shelf a while.
Rohrbaugh will make it right, and make you happy.
John
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I too, just had the good fortune of purchasing a brand new R9S Stealth Elite from a very reputable dealer in South Florida. Took the pup to my local range, and by golly - the first round wouldn't detonate! Then the third, then the fifth, and so on...It got so scary, because I waited an appropriate length of time, before unchambering the non-fired round, and sometimes there would be smoke inside there, along with what looked like a half detonated live round.
I had the owner of the gun shop - very experienced with Rohrbaugh, etc. shoot some different ammo - self defense rounds and the same things were happening to them. I ultimately packed it in for the day, as I thought by continuing, I would be risking a major injury either to myself, or the gun.
Before I ask for advice - the gun was cleaned, lubricated, different kinds of "correct" ammo was used ( so it's not the ammo), different magazines were used (so it's not the magazines)...it just seemed like the the firing pin was very light on some of these rounds. What do you all think and suggest I do? Also possible is that the rounds weren't being chambered and seating properly?
Any help would be sincerely appreciated. I am going back to the place I purchased tomorrow for his response as well.
Well, I now have a follow up report that I think you will all find interesting, and informative:
Got back the R9S Stealth Elite, and went directly to the range. They only had PMC 115 gr range ammo, and I was told this would be "OK". Had FTF approximately 50% of all rounds. This was right after receiving gun back from factory, and being told it was "like new".
Went back to office (thankfully the gun was unloaded, although at that point, I'm not sure it would have fired, or not :) - called the factory, and nobody was home because of the Labor Day Weekend.
Being the resourceful person I am, I got Karl on the phone, himself. We spoke at length - probably 45 minutes or so - and when I was finished, I knew what the problem was: Diagnosis: Wrong Ammo
Treatment: Federal 115 gr FMJ or Winchester White Box 115 FMJ and Gold Dots or Silver Tips for defense ammo.
I have not had ONE even ONE FTF since, and I've put through about 250 rounds, or so. The only slight problem I have now, is that the left grip seems slightly loose after shooting...anyone else have that issue?
I must say: All of you were so right when you reassured me that Team Rohrbaugh would make it right! From Maria to Karl, himself - a class organization that is dedicated to producing and serving their customers for the duration...and I am grateful to have this forum to learn from and share ideas.
Thanks again to all.
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Sounds good! Enjoy that sucker now...
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Yep! Paindoctor. Feed the Elite the good stuff and you'll be fine for sure. Do have fun, now. :)
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Glad you got it sorted out. I've had my grip screws loosen up on my from time to time... it's important to keep them tight (especially the right one, which is integral to the gun's mechanism). I think folks recommend a drop of Blue Loctite to keep the screws in place--it's what I use, and it seems to work well.
I know I'm a little late to this party, but I'm still curious about something from your first post in the thread. What does a half-detonated round look like? Just a dent on the primer, or actual damage beyond that?
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A dent in the primer and sometimes smoke coming from the chamber...it's pretty scary. A question about the grip screws and loctite:
I was told that the factory used it when they changed out my grips; Why would it keep getting loose just one or two uses after getting it back? Is that about the "normal" interval between having to use a product like loctite?
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Paindoctor. That's not really normal for the right grip screw to be getting loose that quick. I haven't had that problem, so can't answer the question, as to cause. I would give Maria a call Monday and ask her for some advice.
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I understand a light primer strike or an unfired round due to a bad primer but the smoke in the chamber is a little puzzling if the projectile was still seated. ??? Unless the smoke was from the round fired before the unfired one.
John
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PDr,
First welcome to the forum.
Second,I am sorry you are having problems with your special made Pup..
No,it is not normal for your grips to become loose like that with any kind of Loctite use.
It is always good to check after a shooting session to make sure screws are just right,cannot be too tight or they will strip on you..
If you are getting smoke and no detonation of the round,a light primer strike would not do that?
As it has been said,the R-Bros WILL take care of your problem,I just hope it will be an easy fix for you (to me it still sounds like you are having a hammer strike problem)
Once again,welcome..
Brenden