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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: kcub on November 22, 2010, 12:38:03 PM
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How many more sell with sights vs. no sights?
just curious
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My guess 100/1
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I guess they sell all they make but I always thought Seecamp missed the boat on this.
I mean, why have a gun without sights when you can have a gun with sights?
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If you liked Seecamps, you'd probably understand. It's just what one likes. :) You really don't need sights for what the Seecamp was designed for. ;)
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I like the sighted model R9 and would not have the unsighted model. But for its intended purpose of a close range point and shoot gun sights will probably never come into play. IMO
John
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As I said, if you liked Seecamps, you'd probably understand why no sights! ;)
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I was only referring to Rohrbaughs as there is a choice, I like Seecamps and there is no choice so unsighted would be fine.
From what I have read in the archive posts on here the sights were added because thats what people were asking for.
John
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Exactly right on the Rohrbaughs! :)
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I agree with KJ, were are talking about two different animals here. You wouldn't compare a Seecamp to a Kahr PM9.
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That makes it unanimous. ;D
John
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THAT'S GOOD! :D
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I went with no sights, but it was probably a mistake. I was just thinking about the ultimate pocketability, of course... but the sights on the R9S are pretty darn low-profile. Oh well, maybe next time. ;)
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Nase:
There is nothing wrong with a pocket pistol with no sights. These are up-close-and-personal weapons for use within 25 +/- yards. They are point and shoot pistols. At such distances sights are not mandatory. If you have sufficient time and light in a self-defense situation, simply sight along the top of the slide. If not, just point and shoot instinctively.
If you have not altready done so, just practice a few times at short yardage. I predict that you will be surprised how much the pocket pistol without sights simply becomes an extensioin of your strong arm. And, as the saying goes, "Beware of the man who knows his weapon -- he will defend himself at your great detriment."
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I was reading through some old posts and it appears some early members who had sightless guns got new slides with sights after Rohrbaugh came out with them.
John
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Nase. I have an R9 with sights and one without; like 'em both. The one without is an early, early one. I do like it, for sure; I'm used to Seecamps, soooo, that may explain why I like no sights.
I don't think you made a mistake by any means. Enjoy.
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Yeah, I'm not really complaining. Sighting along the top of the slide works fine at the range, and realistically, if I ever have to defend myself, I'm not going to have time to use the sights anyway. If I had it to do over again, I'd go with the R9S; but I like my gun fine the way it is.
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As Billy Preston once said.
"If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with"
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Well, that could refer to a gun, metaphorically speaking! ;D
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I have a Seecamp I've carried for years in a back pocket. It's a well made gun and nothing else is in its class. But I really do wish it had a sight. I've thought about cutting a notch or groove into the top of the slide. But then it wouldn't be a Seecamp. ;D
If you don't need sights 25 yards or less why does every skeet shotgun have a bead? Every shot is guaranteed less than 25 yards. A shotgun needs a sight, and so does any pocket pistol, IMO.
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Ive shot with Larry at his range. Its not 25 yds, closer to 3 yds. Thats what he and his dad made them for.
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I purchased and early R9S. When the slide cracked and needed to be replaced I decided to try the sightless slide.
It is far better without sights. My accuracy, usually 7 yd, is as good or better without sights. Especially when practicing rapid draw and fire.
If I do not tip my head back to bring my reading prescription in my glasses into view, the sights are just a blur anyway, so they don't help me at all.
Instead of trying to align relatively small features (sights) you are using the entire profile of the slide. Which for defensive purposes can be very effective.
I now think I will go pull out some before and after targets to compare to see if I can see a difference.
As always, what works for you is what works for you.
Craig T.
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Craig,
Excellent point about sighting when wearing bifocals.
John
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Ive shot with Larry at his range. Its not 25 yds, closer to 3 yds. Thats what he and his dad made them for.
Corey makes the point well; exactly what the Seecamp is designed for.
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Yes! :D
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if a WW1 1897 trench gun throwing a cloud of buckshot at Germans shooting back at you at 3 yards needs a sight, so does a pocket pistol
also, you can still point shoot with sights
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kcub. You like sights; and that's fine. ;)
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Good point. ;D
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Sights are really not needed on the r9 or seecamp IMO. Just thought I would throw that in ;D
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I know Larry Seecamp's reason for not having sights, but if he would offer them both ways I bet ones with sights would outsell those without 20 to 1. IMO Guns with sight are just more fun though they probably would lead to bad habits,
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What's the primary job of a fishing lure?
To catch a fisherman.
If it never catches a fisherman, it can never have any chance of catching a fish.
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Sights are really not needed on the r9 or seecamp IMO. Just thought I would throw that in ;D
I agree they are not needed but the Rohrbaugh brothers saw fit to add them to the guns at the request of owners and future owners. It is not always a bad thing to listen to the customers, if the figure Corey presented is anywhere near close to accurate I would say they did the right thing adding sights. (although not needed)
Want and need are often two very different things. JMO
John
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I like the fact that we have a choice in the Rohrbaughs and I do not think I will be a Rohrbaugh owner if it the R9 has no sights.
I will buy a Seecamp if they have sights. ;)
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Well we did get off the beaten path here that was what sold more, R9s with sights or without. It was enlightening reading all these posts.
For those that won't buy a pocket pistols without sights, you are missing something.Really missing something and not the sights.
Maybe the fear of spending the money, that comes to mind as I heard all sorts of excuses why a person refuses to buy a beautiful pocket pistol like the Seecamp. I heard every excuse for many years, they didn't like the magazine catch, or it was DAO, truth is, the Seecamp is the most powerful pistol for it's size, and the most pocketable.
Then the R9 comes along, similarities close to the Seecamp, same magazine catch, DAO, only Rohrbaugh offers sights, then you hear from those that won't buy an R9 because it is all alloy, or they don't like DAO, truth is, they probably can't afford one.
I agonized over an R9 with or without sights, not the cost, not the DAO or anything else, I knew it was a quality piece.
The fact that the R9 I was about to buy had these little sights, I thought that as small as they are, I could still use them, I feel I was wrong, they are not needed.
I eventually opted for a sighted R9, something I regretted since it arrived.I called the factory and wanted the sights removed, they would have done it, but I never sent the R9 back. Its performance was grand as it should have been, and there was no issue with the sights getting in the way of carry, but when I shot the R9, I did not feel I needed sights, so I sold that R9 and bought one without sights. I some what regret selling that R9 as it was a great shooter.
I may in the near future buy another R9, and it too will not have sights.
The Seecamp, I laugh when I read those that want sights on them, look at some of those small pistols with sights, are you for real, can you use them? Can you use them in a hurry, in an instant when you need that gun? No, I doubt it, draw, look at the front of the slide, aim and shoot.
Glue a BB on the end of the Seecamp, there ya go, you have a sight.
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nice to have options. ;D Tom
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Ya know Tom, you said it before, that's why there is chocolate and vanilla.
Oh, but if you don't like Vanilla, don't condemn Baskin Robbins.
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nice to have options. ;D Tom
I agree, it is nice to have options. This is why I bought R9S.
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Ya know Tom, you said it before, that's why there is chocolate and vanilla.
Oh, but if you don't like Vanilla, don't condemn Baskin Robbins.
I agree, people who like those pocket pistols without sights should not condemn those who like the pocket pistols with sights. ;)
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I have an R9 with sights and one without; like 'em both.
Most certainly. To each his own.
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I think my preference for the sights is driven more by the looks than the thought I would have time to use them if I needed to bring the pup into quick life saving action. I don't practice with my carry guns using just the sights, point shooting should be part of everyones practice routine.
John
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I agree with John. Pistols with sights just look better than without and that is one big reason they sell more. Functionally, as has been stated here already, it makes little difference on the R9.
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I did that too on the first R9; then just went with the no sights on the next; and sights again on the 3rd; so really, it's just what one wants.
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mine has sights but i dont really need them