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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: Joe_from_NY on May 02, 2011, 11:40:30 PM
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Has anyone used their R9S to qualify under the LEOSA http://www.fop.net/legislative/issues/hr218/hr218faq.pdf ? In my state the max. distance is 25 yards.
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Looking at the 45' target Flintsghost posted on another thread, he sure would have no trouble qualifying.
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My R9 is accurate enough to pass the 'course of fire' in our state, but two of the courses are timed events with a reload and one of them I don't think I can beat the clock with Rohrbaugh's heel latch.
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My normal qualification time is November, each year. As yet I haven't had the Rohrbaugh very long so didn't even own one the last time I had to qualify.
However, each state and indeed each department is entitled to set up their own parameters. In my state the Post Board set the requirments for the course of fire. The annual qualifications are run by the county agencies except for the State Agency and we run our own. We are only required to qualify with the type of weapon we are going to carry, which in my own case means I must qualify with both a semi auto and a revolver at each annual qualification because, depending upon what, where, why and when I may be going somewhere, I am liable to be carrying any of a variety of different firearms at any given time. We are not required to qualify with the exact weapon we will have on our person. The requirements for a HR218 permit may be different in other states as the national law doesn't actually specify other than annual qualification (not a particular course) and renewal and specific ID requirements for retirees.
I don't see any problems with qualifying with a Rohrbaugh at all over that particular course of fire. Our course also, doesn't go beyond 15 yards and while it does involve forward, back and lateral movement while shooting, and also involves shooting with your off hand on one stage, I don't think it is particularly challenging. It doesn't require a timed reload in our case.
The HR218 permit is a nice benefit for LEO's both active and retired. But many states, mine included, also allow one to have a state issued CCW that is not tied to your department and one can have both. If my Rohrbaugh was not within the parameters of one, it would surely be allowed by the other. I dont' have any trouble shooting it but I do think a timed reload could be a handicap. Next time I get a chance I will give it a try on our HR218 course.
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Would love to hear your feedback, especially on the reload.
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If or when I have the opportunity to try it I will be more than happy to let you know the results. I'll have to get a small amount of practice with my off hand so I won't be surprised by the recoil.
The only thing that I have consistently noticed in shooting my R9S is that if I shoot quite a bit the first joint of my trigger finger gets a bit tender. I don't notice that when shooting but I do at the end of the session. I suspect it has something to do with the reset of the trigger during recoil and the fact that I use the first joint of my trigger finger and wrap the trigger, just as I do with a DA revolver. Whereas with a SA semi or a DA/SA semi I tend to use my finger print on the trigger for less contact and more control once it goes to the SA mode. The tenderness didn't last long but was noticeable and was completely unexpected since I hadn't experienced it before, even when shooting a Kahr PM9 which is similar in weight but slightly larger in exterior size. I had shot the Kahr with +P.
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I did do the qualification, but i used my Kahr P380 due to it having sights and i had to send the paper out to 25 yards. It was easy and the few hours went quick. You can bring a revolver and a semi-auto so you can get qualified for both types. If there are any retired LEO's here on Long Island NY looking to get this, this guy I used was great. You get a hard plastic certification card that lets you carry your gun all over the country. If anyone is interested i will find his info and post it here.
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Wow. I was not aware of such a credential and I do not qualify as I am not a retired LEO.
However, first things first: I escaped from NJ 5 years ago and moved to the Adirondaks, in NYS, only to find out gun laws were worse there than in NJ. I couldn't even apply for a handgun permit, for 1 year, despite my having all the credentials from NJ; a neighboring state.
When I moved to Vermont I immediately qualified for a CCW and obtained non-resident CCW permit from neighboring New Hampshire; (which aligns with 11 other states, i.e. PA).
Again I find myself in a position of gratitude after having been incapable of legal carry for 25 years. Count your blessings, those of you who will never know the horror of an anti gun state.
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Yeah, NY is horrible regarding it's recognition of that basic right. The closer you get to NYC, the worse it is. Maybe someday there will be some federal law that will make the hodge podge of gun laws across the US uniform. NY recognizes all other states' driver licenses, car registrations, marriages etc... but not other states' carry permits.
New York is so absurd that even though gay marriage is not allowed there, they do recognize gay marriages from any other state and Canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_New_York#Recognition_of_out-of-state_same-sex_marriages But they do not recognize any carry permits from any other state.
It is unfortunate in NY how there are so many obstacles intentionally put in the way to prevent people from exercising their rights.
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When I went to the sheriff's dept. after having moved to NYS I had my NJ firearms ID (with fingerprinting) and my NRA card identifying me as a Certified Pistol Instructor. Didn't matter. I was 1/8 of a mile from the Vermont border and I still cannot believe that such a small piece of terrain separated me from my primary goal of leaving NJ.
I know New York City like the back of my hand, having been born, raised and lived 14 miles west of the city. But, I had no idea NYS had such horrrible gun laws.
I had a great conversation with Sen. Patrick Leahy, who was my brother's guest 2 years ago, and he got a big kick out of my story.
Yes, I know he is a liberal but he is also a big gun nut.
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I got my NY State carry license in the early 80s and had it for over 20 yrs before moving to NC, unfortunately it was only good in NY. My CCW in NC allows me to carry in 32 States, and NY of coarse is not one of them.
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* * * Count your blessings, those of you who will never know the horror of an anti gun state.
For some four years I worked in various countries in Africa. There are generally three types of countries in Africa: (1) those in which you are apt to be shot if you are found to be carrying a gun; (2) those in which you are apt to be shot if you are found NOT to be carrying a gun; and (3) those in which both (1) and (2) apply.
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Richard, Sounds like a real catch 22 situation. ;D
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I just don't go to those places, but understand sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
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I envy Richard his experiences in Africa which has always been a place of mystery and adventure for me. My maternal grandfather was in president Roosevelt's diplomatic corps, for an African nation, and we have a picture of him with a pith helmet and pistol on safari. Gun appears to be a 1903 Colt .32; not much gun today.
My grandfather died an untimely death and I never got to know him as an adult nor talk to him about Africa.
Given the dangerous animals and circumspect political leaders in African nations today, I would not want to be unarmed there, period.
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I would not want to be unarmed there, period.
From what I have seen and heard about Africa, you ARE unarmed with anything less than a full fledged assault rifle.
And I'm not talking about the animals either, at least the 4 legged ones.
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I just shot a 60 round qualification course two weeks ago. It was from the 1 yard line back to the 20 yard line. I got a 270/300 with the R9. I normally shoot 290-300 w/P229 in .40 S&W. The gun can do it but I swear by the straight grip extensions! Without them it would be a different story.
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Good Job Robar!
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Excellent! A 20 point shortfall, when ploted against the variance of R9 to P229, is extraordinary.
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I just shot a 60 round qualification course two weeks ago. It was from the 1 yard line back to the 20 yard line. I got a 270/300 with the R9. I normally shoot 290-300 w/P229 in .40 S&W. The gun can do it but I swear by the straight grip extensions! Without them it would be a different story.
Very good shooting, 233!