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Title: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: judgnot on October 28, 2011, 04:54:34 AM: There is a lot I like about this newly discovered gun. However I find the lack of strap checkering completely baffling in a gun of this cost and utilitarian design. There's really no excuse at all. Skateboard tape on a gun like this is ridiculous.

Almost all concealed carriers I know of are highly sensitive to size and almost completely insensitive of weight. The aluminum frame is a complete turn off. Maybe if it were made of steel it wouldn't have to carry the warning "to be shot very little" from Rohrbaugh's mouth himself. I find it beyond asinine that practice with the most important gun you own is discouraged.

I'm not trying to stir up a fuss with my first post. I really would like to own this gun but those two shortcomings I mentioned are an absolute deal killer.

Building this gun with real metal and checkering would make this so much of a better gun that it is boggling to me why the manufacturer has not come to this conclusion.

I made this post in hopes that eventually it will come to be.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: coyote on October 28, 2011, 07:29:44 AM: sorry to disagree.

i find weight more important than you. i have a self imposed limit max weight of around one pound loaded for CC. try doing that with any steel frame. yet i don't like plastic. my R9s is the only 9mm that has made this weight class (17 oz loaded) and is small enough for pocket/ankle carry.

re: checkering - while a nice concept, i haven't found the R9 to need it. i like the simple smooth radiused flowing feel of this firearm as it is.

even cooper said of the LW Commander: its to be carry lots and shot little. that's the whole point of lightweight alloy-framed firearms.

IMHO, the R9 wasn't invented as a high-volume firearm. it was designed as the lightest and smallest concealable 9mm possible, made to be carried when bigger/heavier ones aren't possible. that is why i purchased the rohrbaugh after 40 years of carrying hundreds of other fine firearms.

if one wishes to shoot lots and lots and lots, buy a bigger and heavier all-steel firearm, which not only last longer but are more pleasant to shoot.

but that's just me...
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: ccoorreeyy on October 28, 2011, 09:02:49 AM: Judgnot have you ever held a R9, or better yet shot one? I can assure you that your post won't help anything "come to be". I encourage you to actually hold and fire one to re-think you thoughts. If after you do that and still think its asinine there might be room in the tiny 9mm market for you to create and manufacture what you feel would be a better gun. Call it the Judgnot-shoot a lot-heavyweight-checkered great-pocket range 9.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: DDGator on October 28, 2011, 10:18:29 AM: Judgnot,

Welcome to the forum. I do find your first post to be a bit "judgmental" of a gun you don't have any real experience with -- which is ironic given your username. ;)

I don't agree with you on the weight -- especially for pocket carry. Belt carry may be a different matter. In the pocket, heavy guns just don't work well in lightweight or dressy pants.

I have actually held a prototype R-9 with a staineless steel frame. The factory is well capable of producing such a gun, but they don't see the need when they can sell every alloy framed gun they make. The gun was designed at every point to be a great carry gun, and that meant an alloy frame in Karl's opinion.

Karl's statement you reference has been discussed at length here. He was not discouraging practice with the R-9 -- but merely stating the reality. I won't go into it again, but the gun does have a lifetime warranty and if you wear one out without abusing it, such as running it dry of lube or using +P ammo, the factory will take care of you.

I guess we are different. I have always liked NAA semi-auto pistols, but won't buy one because they are too heavy. I would have no interest in an R-9 with a stainelss steel frame.

Oh, and the R-9 is made from very high quality aluminum alloy. I assure you it qualifies as "real metal."

Thanks for joining the forum. Perhaps you will change your mind about the R-9, or maybe not. It's all good either way.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: judgnot on October 28, 2011, 10:59:43 AM: You guys have done a fine job of countering my arguments and in a friendly manner to boot which is rare on internet forums especially when some new guy is being critical. Your points have been taken to heart. I think I let my own personal desires trick me into believing them to be the truth.

Everyone has different requirements in a gun. Carry guns in particular are very personal and as we see here my requirements are different from others.

I'll still take the checkerig and steel frame or nothing, but understand other points of view. I do believe the option of a steel frame would sell more guns. For the amount of pictures of these guns I see with skateboard tape on the straps I feel I'm not alone on that one but then again, if you guys aren't shooting them and especially not with sweaty hands, smooth srtaps may be fine. ;D Goes against the logic of most any other fighting gun I can think of but.. but then there I go again.

The judgnot is a a car thing. I own a '69 GTO and you'll either understand that or not. I must be a pretty judgmental guy though because this gets brought up against me quite often on the myriad of forums I belong to under that name.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Recluse on October 28, 2011, 11:22:04 AM: There is a 1969 GTO Judge in my little town that is seen ocassionally on nice days- Quite the sight to behold! Great cars!

As a holster guy, I have access to a bunch of different pocket-sized firearms. After handling, carrying and shooting them, the one I carry myself is the R9. It's my favorite by far.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 28, 2011, 11:49:58 AM: judgnot. Welcome. All the above have said it well. While we all can't think alike, it sounds like you could be won over to the R9 quite easily. All you have to do, in your case, as Corey says, is to hold and maybe fire an R9.

I have seen others that have been very argumentative about the R9, having not seen one, or held one, then doing so, now know what they were missing; hopefully you'll be in this catagory.

I like that '69 GTO; impressive for sure; to me. I go back a little further with a '57 Chevy 2 dr. hardtop, bel air, except no longer have it; that's a regret; have been looking for another, but can't justify the price tag; but like it has been said...........well, we won't go there.

Go see an R9, up close, then come back, and tell us what you think. You will be impressed. Again, welcome.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: ccoorreeyy on October 28, 2011, 11:50:36 AM: They can be checkered but it still will be aluminum.

(http:// http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x275/ccaallaahhaann/r9%20custom/DSC_0421.jpg )
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 28, 2011, 11:57:15 AM: Corey. Don't you miss that one? :)
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: MRC on October 28, 2011, 12:00:22 PM: I anxiously awaited the introduction of the Springfield EMP. I just had to have one. When they finally came out, the price was at least $200 higher than I anticipated so I decided to think it out for a change instead of just buying it.

At 26 oz empty, it just did not seem to have any advantages over my lightweight commander at a fairly high price. I still have to pick one up everytime I see one, but I really can't figure out their place other than they are "neat".
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: ccoorreeyy on October 28, 2011, 12:01:40 PM: Quote
Corey. Don't you miss that one? :)

I've got plenty of pics of it. ;)
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 28, 2011, 12:11:17 PM: Quote

I've got plenty of pics of it. ;)

Well, OK; guess that helps. ;)
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Richard S on October 28, 2011, 12:24:41 PM: Quote
You guys have done a fine job of countering my arguments and in a friendley manner to boot which is rare on internet forums especially when some new guy is being critical. Your points have been taken to heart. I think I let my own personal desires trick me into believing them to be the truth.

Everyone has different requirements in a gun. Carry guns in particular are very personal and as we see here my requirements are different from others.

I'll still take the checkerig and steel frame or nothing, but understand other points of view. I do believe the option of a steel frame would sell more guns. For the amount of pictures of these guns I see with skateboard tape on the straps I feel I'm not alone on that one but then again, if you guys aren't shooting them and especially not with sweaty hands, smooth srtaps may be fine. ;D Goes against the logic of most any other fighting gun I can think of but.. but then there I go again.

The judgnot is a a car thing. I own a '69 GTO and you'll either understand that or not. I must be a pretty judgemental guy though because this gets brought up against me quite often on the myriad of forums I belong to under that name.

Judgnot:

First of all, welcome to the Forum, where we value the First Amendment as much as we do the Second. I might note, however, that some of the present and former military and LEO types who are regulars around here might find it a bit condescending to be instructed on the requirements for a true "fighting gun." Perhaps in that regard I should simply quote the late and legendary NYPD officer, Jim Cirillo, who before his tragic death in an automobile accident wrote this note to Karl and Eric Rohrbaugh:

"Your Rohrbaugh (R9) 9mm is the greatest backup gun in the world."

As for checkering, Bob Cogan at AP&W does a splended job of that for those who want it, e.g.:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=R9S;action=display;num=1272332950;start=

But as for steel frames, this is the land of the 13-ounce 9mm Parabellum pocket pistol -- the finest one ever designed, IMNSHO.

Finally, for any of the "young bucks" out there who are too young to remember or are not familiar with the 1969 Pontiac GTO, there is some optional reading over on the edmunds.com web site:

http://www.edmunds.com/pontiac/gto/history.html

Again, welcome to the Forum. We encourage photographs around here, so if you want to post one or more of that classic "Muscle Car" of yours, they would be most welcome.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: DDGator on October 28, 2011, 12:47:20 PM: Good point, Richard. Jim Cirillo was not prone to overstatement - so that was a fine compliment indeed. I don't think any civilian law enforcement officers survived more gun fights than Jim Cirillo and his partners on New York's infamous "stake out squad."

I was fortunate enough to have dinner with him once, and will always consider myself better for the experience.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Blueeyedme on October 28, 2011, 05:03:35 PM: Is this guy serious? Has he ever touched one - or just oggled pictures?
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Robar233 on October 28, 2011, 09:10:13 PM: Judgnot,

I owned a Kahr MK40 and sold it because it was too heavy to carry in a front pocket. I tried and it looked and felt like I had a boat anchor in my pocket. I sold the MK40 and bought the PM40 as it is much lighter. Polymer frame vs Steel. The recoil of the PM40 gave my trigger finger a blister after 60 rounds. I sold this gun. I then bought the R9 based on information learned in this forum and seeing the pistol in person. It was a custom engraved model so it was a look only! I bought a Robar edition R9 and have not regretted it for a split second.
The R9 is the best pocket pistol I have found. Mine shoots like a dream. The trigger is as smooth as silk. The recoil is not at all bad. Would I rather have a .40 over a 9mm YES!
But I would much rather have a R9 that I can carry, unseen, all day long that a .40 boat anchor!
Robar233
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Trailblazer on October 28, 2011, 09:42:33 PM: SHOOT before you talk!
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: eye_spy on October 28, 2011, 10:16:21 PM: I would urge you to try one. You can shoot it all you want, it will last. I agree about checkering, but I simply use a slip on hogue style grip and it completely solved that issue.

I have a $h!t load of incredible firearms, this is one that I can't say enough good about. The weight is perfect, the build is second to none, and no it is not perfect....it is jjust the closest thing I have found after buying and selling endless guns to get to this.

I respect your opinion, even if it is wrong ;)

We will still be here when you see the light.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: eye_spy on October 28, 2011, 10:30:34 PM: Ps,

If I bought the rohrbaugh about 5 years sooner, I would have saved nearly 8k on firearms. So 1200 for the pup is a bargain.

Not that it matters, but I am a certified executive protection specialist, so firearms are a necessity for me, I only Keep the best.

As noted in a prior post, kahr is a great gun. I have had 2 and still have 1. It is noticeable heavier and although I like it, it is no rohrbaugh in my opinion.

Now let's bitch about having to replace a 5 dollar spring, it has been to long.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: judgnot on October 29, 2011, 12:25:48 AM: It's obvious that you all are big proponents of these guns. I didn't mean any disrespect to you or the gun. The gun isn't for me. I don't do aluminum frames especially not when they're paper thin in areas, and so that pretty much ends it for me. The lack of checkering just seems like a cop out in a gun like this.

I read about Cirillo in one of my monthly blue press issues earlier this year. Sounds like he certainly had experience shooting people. He may have considered these guns the best backups in the world at that time but that doesn't make up for the deficiencies that I find in the gun. We could sit here and speculate about ways he might have improved the gun and I suspect at least checkering would have been on his list but in the end it's all just personal preference.

I appreciate all of your conversation on the matter. Having said that I'm not sure there is much left for me here on this forum as I'll not be buying this gun until it is offered in steel.

I know 34 year olds are supposed to be savvy with computers but I'm here to disappoint. Attaching my GTO pictures sounds like a frustration I'm not interested in taking on. I'd be happy to email them to someone more capable but then again there are plenty of 69 GTO pictures to be seen.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Reinz on October 29, 2011, 12:36:58 AM: Judgnot - welcome to the forum

I used to own a 69 Goat myself. That horrific army tank green. But I still loved it and wish I still had it.

Aside from that, not everyone appreciates, understands or just plain digs fine German cars. Same goes for the R9. It is not for everyone. However, if you do have the opportunity to examine one closely or even better, shoot one, then maybe your taste will change.

I found my holy grail after a 30 + year search, I hope that you can find yours.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: eye_spy on October 29, 2011, 12:56:21 AM: I do respect your opinion and I think you have represented your point well. I too was not big on aluminum, but it works. I have 2500…lus rounds on the r9 never an issue.

I have 11200 rounds on a kimber ultra cdp2 and it has never been an issue. I figure if I break the r9, they will fix it and if they don't, I will still get another one, because comfort comes at a price.

Try a ruger lcr in 357 I have one and I like it.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: judgnot on October 29, 2011, 01:24:06 AM: "That horrific army tank green"

Ahh, Verdero green.. common color for that year. :-/

I'm sure you guys are right on the money. I'm sure the aluminum is fine for lower round counts. I'm traditional. Even my Kahr is steel, the K9. Why carry around the extra weight when I could have the composite frame and accomplish the exact same thing? Good question... Because it's steel I suppose, just how I like it.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 29, 2011, 09:48:03 PM: Quote
"That horrific army tank green"

Ahh, Verdero green.. common color for that year. :-/

I'm sure you guys are right on the money. I'm sure the aluminum is fine for lower round counts. I'm traditional. Even my Kahr is steel, the K9. Why carry around the extra weight when I could have the composite frame and accomplish the exact same thing? Good question... Because it's steel I suppose, just how I like it.

judgnot. You may have read the posts on the 5000+ rd counts of R9's and they keep on ticking with no reports of damage. At any rate, you know what you like and that's good.

Hard to get someone to like something if their mind is made up on something else; so here's wishing you good luck and do hope you'll at least try an R9. 5000+ rds isn't shabby.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Trailblazer on October 29, 2011, 10:30:30 PM: Judgnot....you need a Sig 228 German made!
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 29, 2011, 10:50:17 PM: Quote
Judgnot....you need a Sig 228 German made!

Let's stick with something American made! :)
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: flintsghost on October 30, 2011, 12:58:34 AM: Quote
It's obvious that you all are big proponents of these guns. I didn't mean any disrespect to you or the gun. The gun isn't for me. I don't do aluminum frames especially not when they're paper thin in areas, and so that pretty much ends it for me. The lack of checkering just seems like a cop out in a gun like this.

I read about Cirillo in one of my monthly blue press issues earlier this year. Sounds like he certainly had experience shooting people. He may have considered these guns the best backups in the world at that time but that doesn't make up for the deficiencies that I find in the gun. We could sit here and speculate about ways he might have improved the gun and I suspect at least checkering would have been on his list but in the end it's all just personal preference.

I appreciate all of your conversation on the matter. Having said that I'm not sure there is much left for me here on this forum as I'll not be buying this gun until it is offered in steel.

I know 34 year olds are supposed to be savvy with computers but I'm here to disappoint. Attaching my GTO pictures sounds like a frustration I'm not interested in taking on. I'd be happy to email them to someone more capable but then again there are plenty of 69 GTO pictures to be seen.

I think you have made it abundantly clear that you don't like the Rohrbaugh and so I have one statement and one question.

The statement is that your inexperience in carrying and using weapons for defense is begining to show. My question is...given your dislike for these pistols, why are you still here?
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Chihuahua TN on October 30, 2011, 01:32:32 AM: judgnot, my deep sincerest condolences.

I would suggest the Seecamp 380, Kahr MK series or the AMT back-up in 45acp they are all stainless steel .

Mike
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: C0untZer0 on October 30, 2011, 10:26:17 AM: I was considering the MK9 because it is slightly smaller than the PM9/CM9 and I thought that the little extra mass would help manage the recoil.

But I want a pocket pistol for carry. I have a HK P7M8 - relatively compact, but heavy all steel pistol. If I want to CCW IWB - the P7M8 will be my gun for that, but I know that for carry in warm weather I am looking for something in the range of a 5.5 x 4.0 form factor.

I figured out how much the MK9 weighed fully loaded and tried to carry that much weight in my pocket and realized it was not going to work. Too heavy, too bothersome for pocket carry, even in a jacket,

The R9 though at 17oz loaded is no problem.

So, I don't think that weight doesn't factor - it is a huge factor for me, and even though I thought the MK9 was neat - it ended up being too heavy.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Richard S on October 30, 2011, 11:47:31 AM: In praise of aircraft aluminum frames:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/F-16_CJ_Fighting_Falcon-1.jpg)

F-16 CJ Fighting Falcon, airframe 80% aluminum.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Richard S on October 30, 2011, 01:42:42 PM: Quote
It's obvious that you all are big proponents of these guns.
That might be described as a classic understatement.

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I didn't mean any disrespect to you or the gun.
None taken, not that it would have mattered much anyway.

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The gun isn't for me.
Fine. You and I would probably also disagree on a number of other things -- perhaps even automobiles. In 1969, my personal vehicle was a Mercedes-Benz 280SL -- but then, if you are only 34, you wouldn't have been around back then.

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* * *I read about Cirillo in one of my monthly blue press issues earlier this year. Sounds like he certainly had experience shooting people.
If you subscribe to the "blue press" and just recently learned about Jim Cirillo, I am truly surprised. But that remark about his "experience shooting people" does great disservice to one of the finest gentlemen ever to serve in law enforcement.

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I appreciate all of your conversation on the matter. Having said that I'm not sure there is much left for me here on this forum as I'll not be buying this gun until it is offered in steel.
Thank you for stopping by the Forum and feel free to return when you undergo what I predict will be an inevitable epiphany regarding the R9.

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I know 34 year olds are supposed to be savvy with computers but I'm here to disappoint.
You may have succeeded in that regard.

Good luck to you in your future endeavors, and keep that GTO, as Jimmy Buffett might say, "between the navigational beacons."
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 30, 2011, 02:33:57 PM: judgnot. Do take heed; some very good points were passed on to you the short time you were here; you may not get a chance to read the last few as you may not be back on this Forum.

However, if you are passing this way again, may it be to tell us you now understand. Peace.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: cep55 on October 30, 2011, 02:35:06 PM: Well put, Richard, quite a gentleman's response. The ability to participate thoughtfully in a thread like this while being respectful and neither threatening nor threatened is an art, and not seen in a lot of forums. This type of maturity seems to be quite prevalent here, and this, in addition to the depth of information here is one of the reasons I really love this forum!

Thank you,

Christina
Title: CWC - was the finish taken off that R9 frame?
Post by: C0untZer0 on October 30, 2011, 03:00:50 PM: Is that a Robar Rohrbaugh? Or was there a time when the R9 came with just plain aluminum frame?

One thing I don't want is the black coating on the frame. I am probably going to have the grip checkered and finished in NP3+ anyway...
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: ccoorreeyy on October 30, 2011, 03:33:54 PM: No, its a hard chrome job from Bob Cogan. He did the checkering also.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: DDGator on October 30, 2011, 09:08:03 PM: Have to agree with Richard that characterizing Jim Cirillo's experience as "shooting people" is an injustice. He was involved in a large number of shootouts while protecting the public on NYPD's most dangerous unit. A true American Hero.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: CB_on_the_run on October 31, 2011, 12:28:59 PM:   Without wading through all the replies, I carry on a daily basis both on and off duty. I'm a glock armorer. That being said, I have no issues with the aluminum frame. The weight and caliber were the selling points for me. The gun replaced a G27 which started staying home more & more due to it's weight and bulk. 9mm was my cut off point as I have personally seen too many people functioning well while carrying .38 or lesser projectiles the last being a large young lad who was flagging me down while talking on a cell phone. He was carrying two .38 rounds, 1 in the lower back 2" left of his spine and 1 in his upper thigh which just missed his important parts.
  I do have a issue with the mag release. I understand your point on the checking or lack thereof. For $1200 you'd think you would get something to hold onto but I'm all about function & reliabilty. Mine wear skateboard tape and goes bang 7 times without a hiccup.
  FYI-There are guys on this forum with thousands of rounds through there R9's w/o any problems(change spring). My department traded in our Gen 2 G22's for Gen 4's with less than 7,000 rounds through them that had more issues than I heard here.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: DDGator on October 31, 2011, 12:52:26 PM: Originally, I didn't care for the heel-type mag release, but it really is a better choice for a pocket gun. Guns in pockets can be banged around and a mag with a typical side button release could be depressed and the mag partially unseated -- leaving you with a single round weapon and a mag on the ground somewhere after you draw.

Once you get over the idea of reloading your tiny pocket gun in the midst of a fight, the heel-type mag release is much easier to live with! ;D
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: coyote on October 31, 2011, 01:12:08 PM: Quote
Originally, I didn't care for the heel-type mag release, but it really is a better choice for a pocket gun. Guns in pockets can be banged around and a mag with a typical side button release could be depressed and the mag partially unseated -- leaving you with a single round weapon and a mag on the ground somewhere after you draw.

Once you get over the idea of reloading your tiny pocket gun in the midst of a fight, the heel-type mag release is much easier to live with! ;D

DDGator is correct.

i too once refused to buy heel-types, but then i learned. if the firearm isn't to be used for super-speed reloading, the heel-type is acceptable. even more so for pocket or ankle carry, where a side-release may get depressed by accident (which has happened to me more than once).
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on October 31, 2011, 01:23:35 PM: I know what you're saying. I use the left index finger to pull the mag release back and the mag just drops out; insert another mag, rack, and fire away; fairly fast.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: thor447 on October 31, 2011, 01:51:54 PM: Quote

DDGator is correct.

i too once refused to buy heel-types, but then i learned. if the firearm isn't to be used for super-speed reloading, the heel-type is acceptable. even more so for pocket or ankle carry, where a side-release may get depressed by accident (which has happened to me more than once).

100% agree
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: JohnBT on October 31, 2011, 09:34:25 PM: "Almost all concealed carriers I know of are highly sensitive"

Nobody ever called me sensitive before. <sniff>

I'm touched. Thank you.

John
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: namvet6960 on December 01, 2011, 05:21:49 PM: hello to everyone-
this is my first post on this forum. so far, everything i've read is "okay"- we americans do tend to be opinionated (sometimes stromgly so!)- that strong will is what has made us a great nation- we stand our ground.

after having endured/survived my trip to vietnam in 1969, and still surviving "agent orange exposure", i find it very good to meet others who are "passionate" about the firearms they choose for themselves- and the quality of those firearms- "passionate" enough to stand firm for their beliefs- and that's good.

i myself, am new to the rohrbaugh pistols- have been shooting the "other guys" firearms for a long, long time and now, finally, i'm going to own a rohrbaugh- and i'm going to enjoy it. i own a very nice swiss 23 jewel watch and it is a "lot different" than a timex- and it should be- there's something very special (for me) about owning that swiss watch.

i suppose you could say that rohrbaughs are somewhat like a fine swiss watch- something that you "know" will work and will work well- when you look, you see the quality there- no question, it's there. and that, my friends, is why i'll buy a rohrbaugh- because i "know" the quality is there- without any doubt. my purchase will be made very shortly- and that's very good!!
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: kjtrains on December 01, 2011, 05:35:22 PM: namvet. Welcome. Congrats on your soon to purchase Rohrbaugh. You will be proud. Thanks for your service to our great USA; again welcome and enjoy.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: birdman on December 01, 2011, 07:00:28 PM: Is he gone yet? I know "freedom of speech" applies to everyone, but sometimes you almost wish it did'nt. As for the mag release I don't worry about it. If you are still fighting after seven shots you're probably hosed anyway. I'll change mags two or three years from now when the police give me my gun back. Gene
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: yankee2500 on December 01, 2011, 07:05:26 PM: namvet welcome to the group and congrats on your decision to purchase the R9.
Also thank you for your service and sorry to hear you were exposed to "agent orange".

John
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: Richard S on December 01, 2011, 08:08:18 PM: Namvet:

Welcome to the Forum, congratulations on your taste in pocket pistols, and thank you for your service and sacrifice for our country.
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: birdman on December 01, 2011, 09:16:44 PM: And Namvet, I forgot to welcome you to the Forum, I think you'll like it here. I know I do. Gene (another nam vet)
Title: Re: rohrbaugh misses the mark, sadly
Post by: AmmoToad on December 01, 2011, 10:41:40 PM: First the important stuff: NamVet, Brother, welcome to the forum and thank you for your service to this Great Nation of ours. Our ability to post our opinions on here is because brave men like you fought for our Freedom.

I had a bad experience with the SOLO where the mag button released and when I unholstered the weapon (at the range) the mag was loose and would have fell out....that convinced me that the heel release is where it's at.

As for the Goat dude, at least he recognized the fact that the people on this forum were polite when disagreeing with his points of view...something I too learned and saw/see firsthand. I don't belong to any other forums, barely have time to keep up with this one, so not sure how the others do it....but I feel at home here among some Great Americans!