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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Rohrbaugh R9 (all variations) => Topic started by: Sigquick on May 28, 2012, 08:20:59 PM
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Hello All,
Haven't been on here in a while just curious if anyone prefers the Boberg over their R9. Just received a couple of Boberg Platinum XR9-Ss, but have not had the time to shoot one yet. It does seem to be very well manufactured, but not near as sleek as the Rohrbaugh. My R9 has a much smoother trigger as well, but the Boberg holds an extra round with the +P option. From what little I've read sounds like the Boberg wins for accuracy, the Rohrbaugh for concealability.
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To me, it's all about the size of the gun.
No Brainer R9
As far as accuracy - anytime you can get a better grip on a gun AND have superior sights - you have a leg up.
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What Reinz said. Also, speaking just for myself, I just can't seem to get comfortable with a design that has the potential to be a "bullet puller" with a poorly seated round. "Murphy's Law" applies to the manufacture and reloading of ammunition just as it does to other aspects of human endeavor.
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I have been carrying one for about 2 months now. It is a great shooter. It is easier to shoot fast and accurately with +P ammo than the R9 with standard pressure. It has one more round and 15% longer barrel in an easy to carry package. As far as ammo, I am able to shoot a lot more types with the Boberg than the R9. Non compatible ammo with the "pull-back" mechanism are clearly listed.
Downside - Fast reloads are a problem but no worse than with a R9. A very complicated mechanism with a lot of moving parts. I have heard of very few problems though it is a worry to me. Also unlike the R9, the Boberg has a typical "Hammer-fired" DAO trigger that takes a little getting used to. I much prefer the R9, PM9, and Solo triggers.
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Yes. Still keeping both just in case I change my mind in the future. ;D
Pretty much ditto everything from MRC except I don't mind the long reset on the trigger.
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Corey (CWC) did in a big big way.....
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I have tonight been enjoying the benefit of a well-aged single-malt beverage, but in my seventh decade of life (to the consternation of my enemiies still alive), permit me to state for the record that in 2002 I perceived the R9 to be the finest pocket pistol ever designed, that I took delivery of my R9 in 2004, and that the same R9 is in my pocket as I type this post.
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I have tonight been enjoying the benefit of a well-aged single-malt beverage, but in my seventh decade of life (to the consternation of my enemiies still alive), permit me to state for the record that in 2002 I perceived the R9 to be the finest pocket pistol ever designed, that I took delivery of my R9 in 2004, and that the same R9 is in my pocket as I type this post.
Congrats, RS, on being in the seventh decade of life, and do enjoy the well deserved malt beverage along with that fine pocket pistol, the #132.
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I own both, have carried both, have ended up carrying the R9s most of the time. At 4 to 6 yards, accuracy is equivalent. Smaller more comfortable carry pocket, IWB, OWB makes the R9 my better choice, expecially in summer dress, cargo shorts, etc. Both are wonderful pistols and I must say I've never had a misfire, FTF or "pulled" bullet with my Boberg.
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I am in the same corner as Richard as noted in both of his posts, sans 7th decade. :)
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I finally made it to the range today to shoot the Boberg. WOW!!! Very impressed with this little gun. It was accurate and pleasant to fire. Think I might prefer it over my Robar R9s :'(.
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I am in the same corner as Richard as noted in both of his posts, sans 7th decade. :)
Reinz:
The seventh decade is proving to be much better than I would ever have anticipated. I attribute this to the love of a beautiful woman whom I met just in time, a few miracles of modern medicine, some frustrated enemies, and an amazing amount of perhaps undeserved good fortune. 8)
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I finally made it to the range today to shoot the Boberg. WOW!!! Very impressed with this little gun. It was accurate and pleasant to fire. Think I might prefer it over my Robar R9s :'(.
Sigquick. Glad you like the Boberg; it really is impressive, for sure! :)
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My R9 will not be replaced by a Boberg because I have no interest in buying one. ;D
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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I am in the same corner as Richard as noted in both of his posts, sans 7th decade. :)
Reinz:
The seventh decade is proving to be much better than I would ever have anticipated. I attribute this to the love of a beautiful woman whom I met just in time, a few miracles of modern medicine, some frustrated enemies, and an amazing amount of perhaps undeserved good fortune. 8)
Awesome! May you enjoy many more.
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My R9 will not be replaced by a Boberg because I have no interest in buying one. ;D
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
Yup, what he said.
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My R9 will not be replaced by a Boberg because I have no interest in buying one. ;D
If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I don't have to switch to enjoy the Boberg! There's room for both! ;D
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Let's face it, we are all going to carry what we feel gives us the most protection and is still concealable for pocket carry. I have five 9mm which I can pocket carry. At the present time my choice has come down to the Boberg and the Kimber Solo. I personally like the Solo probably better but the extra round and the longer barrel make the Boberg a very attractive alternate.
Thanks to kj on another thread I was able to find Hornady Critical Duty at a fair price. If they prove to be compatible with my Boberg, (they are on the recommended list), this could be an awsome combination.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/hornady/50-rd-box-9mm-hornady-critical-duty-le-135-grain-p-90225
I really do not need 5 pocket carry 9mm's but I do not have much money in the PM9 or the Colt Pocket Nine and I do like them. I would like to get rid of the Rohrbaugh but without a warranty and the factory installed "Corrugated" rifling it is practically impossible to sell without taking a considerable beating which is what I will probably end up doing.
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I took the Boberg to the range yesterday to try out the Hornady Critical Duty ammunition. The Boberg would not reliably feed the CD's from a full magazine but I had just cleaned and lubed it and had way overdone the oiling and that may have contributed to the trouble. Lots of moving parts to oil and I have to start using the recommended CLP I concluded.
The more interesting find was when I chronographed the 135 gr +P ammo in the XR9, a PM9, and a Kimber Solo to see how the different barrel lengths affected the velocity. Here are the results:
Boberg - 1063 fps average
PM9 - 1059 fps
Solo - 1039 fps
Barrel length at least with the Critical Defense 135 +P ammunition has very little affect. I am going to do some more comparisons with other ammo to see if this is true with them.
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Probably best not to use +P ammo in the R9 unless you are so PO'd at it that you want to beat it to death :D
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You're right, no +P stuff for the R9.
I am certainly not PO'd at the R9, it is a very good and reliable pistol. I just have found others that are just as reliable and "FOR ME" a better choice, that's all.
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I'm in the minority here on the Boberg in terms of problems. I have a friend who recently purchased one and has had serious FTF issues. This has kept me from buying one. I have an R-9 that is about 2 years old and have had minimal problems. My friend must have gotten a problem gun as I have heard very little reliablity issues so far. I'm going to wait and see how Arne handles this one.
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Concealed, Welcome to the group. Do keep us posted on what transpires with the Boberg.
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Welcome to the forum from me as well, Concealed. I do hope your freind is treated squarely.
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I put a post on the Boberg forum about my chronograph data and feed problems with the Hornady Critical Duty ammo in my XR9. Arne Boberg sent me a personal e-mail offering to send me a shipping label to return the pistol so he could make it right. I am still not certain that my sloppy maintenace was not the problem or at least partly to blame.
Arne gave me a couple of suggestions and asked that I keep him informed. I just need to do some more testing as the Boberg was flawless up until then.
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Not me.
I'm still happy after 5+ years of carrying my R9 everyday. And I bought it used. I don't see the lack of +P ammo as a drawback. Out of a short barrel it might add what, as much as 30 or 40 fps. Speer says 70 fps for 124-grain Gold Dots in a full-sized gun.
John
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I put a post on the Boberg forum about my chronograph data and feed problems with the Hornady Critical Duty ammo in my XR9. Arne Boberg sent me a personal e-mail offering to send me a shipping label to return the pistol so he could make it right. I am still not certain that my sloppy maintenace was not the problem or at least partly to blame.
Arne gave me a couple of suggestions and asked that I keep him informed. I just need to do some more testing as the Boberg was flawless up until then.
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Man that's what I like to hear! With great concern and customer service like that, Arne is going to do well.
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Let's face it, we are all going to carry what we feel gives us the most protection and is still concealable for pocket carry. I have five 9mm which I can pocket carry. At the present time my choice has come down to the Boberg and the Kimber Solo. I personally like the Solo probably better but the extra round and the longer barrel make the Boberg a very attractive alternate.
Thanks to kj on another thread I was able to find Hornady Critical Duty at a fair price. If they prove to be compatible with my Boberg, (they are on the recommended list), this could be an awsome combination.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/hornady/50-rd-box-9mm-hornady-critical-duty-le-135-grain-p-90225
I really do not need 5 pocket carry 9mm's but I do not have much money in the PM9 or the Colt Pocket Nine and I do like them. I would like to get rid of the Rohrbaugh but without a warranty and the factory installed "Corrugated" rifling it is practically impossible to sell without taking a considerable beating which is what I will probably end up doing.
If I might ask, what is the smallest, RELIABLE 9mm you have?
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I will have to say all five have been reliable. I have a couple of Colt Pocket Nines which have both been reliable. I also had 2 R9's, the current one is 100% with whatever I have fired in it and the first was complete junk and went back to Long Island for good.
The R9 is the lightest and with the shape of the slide is easily the most concealable. That is why I puchased it. I have no problem pocket carrying any of them, so I go with the one "I can shoot the most accurately with the most speed". With my stiff and arthritic hands and wrists I have found it hard for me to get 7 shots off as fast and accurately with the R9 as I can with the PM9, Solo, and the Boberg.
I am still testing the Boberg which is by far the easiest to shoot and may end up being my first choice but for now, I prefer the Solo.
Remember, Carry Weapons are meant to be comforting, not comfortable.
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I don't see lack of +P as an issue.
I decided that for me, 9mm was the minimal cartridge in terms of power. I do want a small light weight pistol. The laws of physics say F=MA. When you start adding velocity or mass, or both, you're going to need a bigger gun, IMO.
If I wanted something smaller than the R9 and was willing to settle for what I consider a step-down in effectiveness then I'd get a 380 ACP. If I felt I needed something more powerfull than standard pressure 9mm, then I'd get a bigger gun - probably something in 40 S&W
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I agree, that the ability to fire +P ammunition is not the deal maker for me either. But the Boberg is approximately the same size as the R9 but slightly heavier and is softer shooting with +P ammo than the R9 with std pressure ammo and carries one more round. That is definitely a plus in my opinion.
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I agree, that the ability to fire +P ammunition is not the deal maker for me either. But the Boberg is approximately the same size as the R9 but slightly heavier and is softer shooting with +P ammo than the R9 with std pressure ammo and carries one more round. That is definitely a plus in my opinion.
You have a choir waiting over here:
http://www.bobergarms.com/forum
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Gimme the Pup!!!
I am also on that 7-8 year trip that Richard and Reinz are on!!
Been enjoying it as my EDC without any trouble at all..
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When I was young and knew everything, I liked Fast Cars,
Fast Chicks, and Magnum Ammunition.
When I became middle aged and knew I didn't know everything, I liked
Expensive Cars, Expensive Women, and +P Ammunition.
Now that I'm old and don't remember if I knew anything, I like
Limos, any Women who's kind & Standard Pressure Ammunition.
Seriously, I no longer understand the fetish with
Hot Ammunition. Modern bullet design is far better
than it used to be so Hot Loads are no longer required
to encourage someone to quickly bleed out.
And now that Micro Pistols are more popular than
ever, their 3 inch and smaller barrels don't make
good use of Hot Ammunition. I like that the Boberg
has a longer than usual barrel for a Micro Auto
but Hot Ammo just isn't needed.
I get why people still like HOT Chicks,
and HOT Cars but not HOT Ammo.
So whats the deal?
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Well said billib
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billib, +1 ;D
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Great thread,
I have to say that some great points have been expressed in this thread! I love the line about concealed weapons making us feel comfortable not having to be comfortable. God willing the only time any of us will need one is to fire at the range! If we do need to use it in self defense; 1 hope & prepare for it to function, 2 hit what they hell you are aiming at where you want the shot to go!
The threads about "new" ammunition are right on the money. Times have changed and bullets are designed to expand for the specific caliber and the velocities. I hate to say it but I can remember when a backwards wad cutter was state of the art.
So if you switch to Bobberg or a Model 29 with an 8 3/8 in barrel; take care of it, practice with it, and pray you NEVER need it!
Robar233
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I wouldn't even consider a Boberg. I know the Rohrbaugh is the best true pocket 9mm on the market. I also know the company is 100% behind their products. The looks of a pistol is also important to me, and the boberg may be functionally adequate but it is embarrassingly ugly. While the Rohrbaugh is a work of art. I know everyone has different opinions, but i just can't find a negative with the Rohrbaugh that would lead me to consider a replacement.
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There is room for both. The BB holds one more round, has a longer barrel with all that implies, has better sights, is extremely accurate and feels like a much larger pistol in the hand. In my hand it is generally more accurate at a longer range than the R9. It is a pleasure to shoot and not bad to carry, but it is, to me at least, a tad too bulky for comfortable pocket carry, so I carry it occasionally in IWB holster or keep it in the vehicle as the "car gun."
That said, I carry either the R9 Covert or my Seecamp most often, usually front pocket carry, using whichever pistol fits my clothing and need. In the winter when in areas of concern I will carry a Kimber .45 Ultra CDPII with an extra mag.
The only concern is that one must practice with each weapon carried and mentally commit to the one being carried on any day lest confusion reign during an emergency.
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After handling one at a gun show, I do plan to get a Boberg (whenever my name comes up in the waiting list). I really like the unconventional looks and operation. But I don't see the Boberg in direct competition with the R9. I see the XR9 mainly as an IWB gun, so it would likely replace my PM9 if anything. But, no need to switch or replace anything. I'll just add it to the collection and have one more nice option in the carry rotation.