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Rohrbaugh Products and Accessories => Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9 => Topic started by: Richard S on December 12, 2006, 01:13:51 PM

Title: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Richard S on December 12, 2006, 01:13:51 PM
I have simplified my life with the collection of five tools for the cleaning and maintenance of my R-9. First a group photo with the "Star of the Show":

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/R9andTools2.jpg)

And now a closeup of the tools identified left to right by number:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/R-9Tools.jpg)

And finally, a photo showing the ease with which one of the Bedair tools allows the slide to be aligned for removal of the barrel pin:

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/RichardS/R9BedairToolinUse2.jpg)

Once everything is aligned as shown, you can either remove the barrel pin with the punch while maintaining downward pressure on the Bedair tool or you can insert the Hedley "Stop Stick" into the gap between barrel and slide in the ejection port to hold it all in place for slow and easy pin removal using two hands.

Reassembly, with these tools, is "a walk in the park."

At last report, R. J. Hedley had only a few left of his "Two-in-One" Takedown Tools (the combination "Stop Stick" & Compression Tool) and didn't plan to produce any more. Anyone interested could contact him through his web site:

http://hedleyholsters.com/

Anyone interested in the tools developed by Steve Bedair could contact him via his site:

http://bedair.org/Rohr/Rohrbaugh.html

Life is good!   8)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Brenden on December 12, 2006, 08:17:07 PM
Thanks for the pics!!

Very nice indeedy!! 8)

Brenden
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: marvin on January 13, 2007, 02:45:24 PM
thanks for the clear picture and explaination.Icouldn't figure out how to use the other side of Mr. Hedley's tool,so simple.Once the pin and slide are  aligned ,I just use a wood tooth pick to push the pin out(pin is tapered and only comes out one way).
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Richard S on January 16, 2007, 08:58:49 PM
Marvin:

Just trying to spread the word on the innovative work of Messrs. Hedley and Bedair.  Glad it was of some help.   8)

Stay safe.



Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: marvin on January 17, 2007, 05:29:28 AM
Thanks again Richard
One of the things that I liked about Mr. Bedair's posting were his  instructions for do-it-yourselfers for how to build his tools for only pennies and a trip to the hardware store.What talent we have on this board and how freely its shared.Your pictures are great.

Jeff
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: theirishguard on January 17, 2007, 10:57:04 AM
Richard, thanks so much for this info and your bell ringing.   Tom
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: marvin on February 02, 2007, 04:07:16 PM
Richard
Your allen grip screw wrench sure looks great.I've been trying to find a well fitting allen wrench,but everywhere I've gone so far only has the sloppy fitting variety.Can't find a made in US or precision fit anywhere.
Any hints on a source for a good wrench?

Thanks
     Jeff
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Richard S on February 02, 2007, 09:02:45 PM
Jeff:

I got my Allen (or Hex) wrench/key from a generous client, but these links may be of assistance:

http://www.shopping.com/xPC-Bondhus_1_16_Bondhus_Screwdriver_Style_Straight_Balldriver_Hex_Key  

http://www.crawfordtool.com/bondhus_hexdrivers.html

Good luck in finding one you like.

Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: sigme on October 13, 2007, 09:41:19 PM
What are the sizes on the PVC parts for the pin removal tool?
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: garymass on January 14, 2008, 10:18:07 PM
Ok why did the Bedair Barrell pin removal tool go away, looks like a PVC plumbing piece? Maybe can find it somewhere? Is there another trick with using something to get the slide back for the pin? I have the takedown tool but I guess I am not using it right.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: tracker on January 14, 2008, 11:48:08 PM
Gary,
I think if you will pull the slide back and insert the small end
of the takedown tool between the opening of the barrel
and the slide you will find that it is about right to hold it
to punch out the pin.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: garymass on January 15, 2008, 12:08:08 AM
Ok I will try that I must have been a little off the first time but hey I think we all were, first time that is!;D
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: tracker on January 15, 2008, 11:52:27 AM
You got that right.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Jack Foulard on February 24, 2008, 11:29:29 PM
From another post:

CVPC 3 /4 X 1/2" reducer coupling. 1/2"CVPC pipe.
Cut the 1/2" pipe to 3/8" install into coupler with a 7/16" socket. If you need to file down the 3/8" piece more, you can pop it back out with a screw driver. The pieces can be bought in a hardware store in the water section. Parts should be less than $5.00. I bought a 1' piece of 1/2" pipe easy to hold to cut. Feeler gauge 22mm. cut out 2 sections from the hole in the center of it
 
 
This link tells a story of another device   http://www.patentgenius.com/patent/7240450.html

What is the role of the 7/16" socket and the 22mm feeler gauge?

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: marvin on March 05, 2008, 04:21:20 AM
Jack

As my memory serves me (ha ha) the socket is just the right diameter to use as a driver to push the smaller pipe into the larger fitting.
The outside diameter of the small pipe is the same as the inside diameter of the larger fitting (zero clearance)so that size socket is just a shade smaller in outside diameter;so the socket is tapped lightly with a hammer against the smaller pipe to recess it into the larger fitting.The socket is withdrawn and the pipe and fitting remain together in a press fit.
The feeler gauge was used as stock(material) to fabricate another tool which I think was used to keep the recoil spring  compressed for reassembly.
Also the type of pvc pipe and fitting was very important to get the proper clearances;just don't use any old pipe.Make sure the grade of material,denoted by the letters CVPC is used.

Jeff
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Jack Foulard on March 05, 2008, 12:12:15 PM
Thanks for chiming in.

Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Chinook on July 20, 2008, 04:39:31 PM
I'm the last one who should be offering advice; the last time I took my pup apart, I could not get it back together and had to send it back to Karl!!!  I'm about to attempt this again... so wish me luck!

Regarding the CPVC tool pictured and described in this thread.  I first tried to follow the instructions as given.  I made a 3/8" insert of pipe for the adapter and pushed it into the coupling.  Unfortunately, for my specimen, the pipe piece needed to be longer; maybe 1/2".  And I could not get the 3/8th piece out.

Thankfully, when buying my parts, I had added a CPVD Bushing size 3/4 x 1/2 (Nibco part 4718) to my basket.  I subsequently found that this works fine all by itself as I just use it to help push the slide back far enough to insert the "action jammer" (which for me is plastic pop-tab opener; note that anything will work so long as it's the right thickness).  It is the jammer that fixes the slide back the appropriate distance for removal of the pin.

James
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: JHawk on August 08, 2008, 02:47:46 PM
Looking at this thread and the comments, I decided to try and order the Hedley takedown tool and the Bedair compression tool and barrel pin removal tool.  Learned long ago that the proper tools save time and frustration.  Anyway, it seems the Hedley tool is now mfg. by IDM and not in stock and the Bedair.org site does not show any of these tools.  Hmmm..... saw the threads on the patent comments.  Anyway, can these be purchased?  If so where and if not what are the alternatives.  The takedown instructions with my R9s show using the good old channel-lock pliers to put the guide rod assembly back together.  Is this necessary?  I know how to take down a 1911 with a full length guide rod and never needed a pair of pliers.  Coaching appreciated prior to my first disassembly.  
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: dawkind on August 08, 2008, 04:20:48 PM
I would use Channel Locks ONLY if I had some of those 4" needle-nosed mini units and either ground the 'teeth' smooth and/or covered them with leather or something so as not to mar anything.

I was fortunate enough to pick up a Hedley/IDM take-down tool and they are money well spent to make the cleaning process basically fool-proof and 'damage free', ie., flying springs and such.  ;)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: MrsFosforos on August 08, 2008, 07:15:25 PM
I read somewhere on this forum, how someone used the handle of a toothbrush to make the stopstick and drilled out 5/32 hole toward the end to make a similar takedown tool.

Here's one of RJ's posts  (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/YaBB.cgi?board=Cleaning;action=display;num=1127505416;start=57#57)(to demonstrate how that end should work to hold the spring together):

Quote
My solution
  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/rhedley/Takedown-reassemblyTool022.jpg)

Reading about the re-assembly had me so intimidated, I didn't know what to expect the first time around!

I was lucky enough to get one of the last brass RJ tools from IDM stock, but if I didn't have it -- I would try to drill out a toothbrush handle before I tried to use vice grips. They are just so bulky and the design of this tool is PERFECT for this part of the reassembly.


Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: JHawk on August 09, 2008, 09:52:51 AM
MrsFosforos, Thanks for the toothbrush reference.  I will do a search on the site for this stopstick.  Now you all have me curious.  I realize that there is not a huge market for these takedown tools but after spending a couple of hours yesterday I found that IDM did not have a tool in stock and that Bedair had no reference to any Rohrbaugh tools on his site.  So, I will make due in the meantime.  Heading to the hardware store for the PVC pipe and upstairs for a toothbrush ( hey my son does not need to brush this morning )  Also a thanks to RJ for sending a note to Bryce at IDM regarding the tool.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: theirishguard on August 09, 2008, 12:55:42 PM
Regina, good advice.  Tom
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: JHawk on August 10, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
Quote
MrsFosforos, Thanks for the toothbrush reference.  I will do a search on the site for this stopstick.  Now you all have me curious.  I realize that there is not a huge market for these takedown tools but after spending a couple of hours yesterday I found that IDM did not have a tool in stock and that Bedair had no reference to any Rohrbaugh tools on his site.  So, I will make due in the meantime.  Heading to the hardware store for the PVC pipe and upstairs for a toothbrush ( hey my son does not need to brush this morning )  Also a thanks to RJ for sending a note to Bryce at IDM regarding the tool.

Obtained the CVPC components at the hardware store yesterday and made the compression tool.  Very easy.  Also received a note back from RJ and Bryce at IDM that the takedown tool was back in stock.  I ordered this online from IDM yesterday.  I appreciate the value of the fourm and all the "coaching" from various members.  Looking forward to contributing in the future.  
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: JHawk on August 15, 2008, 08:04:41 PM
I ordered the brass take down tool from Bryce at IDM over the weekend and it arrived today.  Great tool and excellent customer service.  Glad to have it in my R9 tool kit.  He still has them in stock so now is the time to order if you do not have one.  Thanks Bryce & RJ!
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: JHawk on August 21, 2008, 10:10:45 AM
My first takedown, clean and reassembly was straight forward.  I followed the advice and had researched the tools recommended at the start of this post.  As an update for those who will be reading this for future reference, I could not find any tools listed on the Bedair web site.  However, to simplify the process let me make the following recommendation.  

I used four tools - first was the CVPC compression tool - simply the 3/4 x1/2 " reducing coupling.  You don't need to cut and add the additional 1/2" CVPC pipe into the end of the coupling.  The coupling can stand alone and the picture in the first post here shows it clearly.  I picked this up at Home Depot.  Second, was the Heldey/IDM brass takedown tool.  Yeah, you could do the process without this but it would be cumbersome.  A punch was used for removal of the pin ( third tool ) and a Brownells magna tip screwdriver is tool number four tool with the appropriate hex tip for the grip screws.  I removed both grips and needed to gently use the edge of a credit card to get them loose enough to lift off.  You do need to be careful on the right side grip as the trigger assembly will come loose.  But don't panic if it does as the diagram on the Disassembly and Lubrication Instructions that came with my pup clearly shows how the three pieces should be reassembled.   Hope this helps.  
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on June 03, 2011, 12:45:47 AM
Yeah, the info is not on his site because somebody's lawyer sent him a letter demanding that he remove the info, which by the way, was very helpful and free. Claimed it infringed. Here is the last message that used to be posted on Steve's site where the great info used to be posted before it disappeared:



 Sorry everyone but I was notified by a patent attorney that my R9 disassembly tool infringes on his clients patent.

    Quote:  "I request that you immediately cease and desist from manufacture, use, sale or offer for sale any product covered in this patent. Further, I demand removal from your website or any reference to the infringing product."



It's too bad that free useful helpful info has to be restricted. The only thing similar between those two devices was the result of their use. They are completely different animals. What would have happened it years back, someone patented the idea of cooking meat with heat before you eat it. Then there would be no fast food places today. He lawyer could send me a letter to stop showing people how to use their hands to manipulate the slide, or an old piece of pipe i had laying around, as it yields the same result of pin removal as his device. What B.S.


                    


Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Dire_Straits on June 15, 2011, 11:58:45 AM
Just assembled my "tool kit" for my R9. I have ordered the R.J. Hedley tool from Yankee, purchased the CPVC fitting from the local hardware store for $.59  8) and purchased the following American made allen head fixed screwdriver from Brownells. This screwdriver fits the grip screws perfectly, it can be found at the following link.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=2126/pid=511/Product/1_16__ALLEN_HD__FXED_BLADE_SCREWDRIVER
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on June 15, 2011, 12:49:53 PM
Quote
Just assembled my "tool kit" for my R9. I have ordered the R.J. Hedley tool from Yankee, purchased the CPVC fitting from the local hardware store for $.59  8) and purchased the following American made allen head fixed screwdriver from Brownells. This screwdriver fits the grip screws perfectly, it can be found at the following link.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/sid=2126/pid=511/Product/1_16__ALLEN_HD__FXED_BLADE_SCREWDRIVER

No, man- order the hexdriver from Amazon $4.91 including shipping, half the price of Brownells. I have been using it and it works great.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O5ILMU

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21JtEajgv4L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: mwbgtb on June 15, 2011, 03:03:53 PM
Thanks to Joe_from_NY I just ordered my hexdriver from Amazion for $4.91.

Mike
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Reinz on June 15, 2011, 07:18:23 PM
I have all the allen drivers mentioned here on forum - the Bondus, Brownells, Rudy, Wiha.  And for me, I prefer the larger traditional handle type like the Brownells or Bondus.
I can just get a better grip on them than those narrow handle units.

Just my dos centavos
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: kjtrains on June 15, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
I really like that T handle one Corey made.  Talk about being able to grip it.  It is a hoss.    :)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Reinz on June 15, 2011, 07:42:48 PM
Now that I have not seen.

Come to think about it, I have a set of T- handles, but I don't think it goes down to 1/16.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: kjtrains on June 15, 2011, 07:49:21 PM
I've been looking for one as well.  Guess I'll have to do what Corey did and make one.  
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on June 15, 2011, 07:52:49 PM
I dont know... if you need a T-handle to get that much torque, you will probably strip the hex head of the screw.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Reinz on June 15, 2011, 08:03:12 PM
I think it's more for loosening when locktite is involved.  Also in some areas, I believe it was in saltwater areas we had members with corossion problems.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Reinz on June 15, 2011, 08:05:12 PM
This is weird!

The above post, I spelled SALTWATER correctly and it came out posted misspelled.

I went to correct it and it showed ok!

WTH
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Reinz on June 15, 2011, 08:06:11 PM
It will not post SALT  WATER !
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: kjtrains on June 15, 2011, 08:07:27 PM
Quote
I think it's more for loosening when locktite is involved.  Also in some areas, I believe it was in saltwater areas we had members with corossion problems.

It is, for loosening the locktite treated screws.  I don't change grips, but wanted the tool just in case I decide to.  I'll make one when I get around to it; last on my list.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: kjtrains on June 15, 2011, 08:09:26 PM
Quote
This is weird!

The above post, I spelled SALTWATER correctly and it came out posted misspelled.

I went to correct it and it showed ok!

WTH

Now that is weird.  Never had that to happen! ;D
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: kjtrains on June 15, 2011, 08:10:38 PM
Quote
It will not post SALT  WATER !

Looks like it worked that time!    :D
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Reinz on June 15, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
I had to put an extra space in.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: kjtrains on June 15, 2011, 08:15:41 PM
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I had to put an extra space in.

I thought you had invented another word!    ;D
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: parkgt on June 15, 2011, 09:25:44 PM
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I dont know... if you need a T-handle to get that much torque, you will probably strip the hex head of the screw.


I have this set of gunsmithing screw drivers.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=BQ&prodID=BQT0045&prodTitle=B-Square%20Profession%20Gunsmith%20Screwdriver%20Set


I would not begin to work on firearms without something similar.  It has the correct 1/16" bit and the handle size and shape give you plenty of grip.

If you haven't used a good set of hollow ground screw driver bits you are in for a treat.  There are better sets out there but IMO not at this price.  I found that I get this set out of my gunsmithing tool box for many other household projects.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Dire_Straits on June 16, 2011, 09:53:21 AM
Quote


I have this set of gunsmithing screw drivers.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=BQ&prodID=BQT0045&prodTitle=B-Square%20Profession%20Gunsmith%20Screwdriver%20Set


I would not begin to work on firearms without something similar.  It has the correct 1/16" bit and the handle size and shape give you plenty of grip.

If you haven't used a good set of hollow ground screw driver bits you are in for a treat.  There are better sets out there but IMO not at this price.  I found that I get this set out of my gunsmithing tool box for many other household projects.

I've got the B-Square set and the BIG set from Wheeler Engineering and alot of other misc. tools for gunsmithing to include some nice torque wrenches.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on March 11, 2021, 11:00:14 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I referred a member of the Seecamp forum here for info on the Rohrbaugh takedown tool, and I wanted it to be clear to him what I was talking about. These are from Steve's site, which I see has disappeared since he was gone.

 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3801;image)

(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3803;image)

(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3805;image)

(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3807;image)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on March 11, 2021, 11:01:30 PM
The rest:

 (http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3809;image)

(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3811;image)

(http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3364.0;attach=3813;image)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: tracker on March 11, 2021, 11:10:28 PM
That is the one from our deceased friend Steve Bedair of Kilgore in deep East Texas. It works like a charm.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on March 11, 2021, 11:29:16 PM
That is the one from our deceased friend Steve Bedair of Kilgore in deep east Texas. It works like a charm.

Yes indeed. A real inventor.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: MikeInTexas on March 12, 2021, 10:15:11 AM
Thanks for posting this, nice to keep some of these things fresh in all our minds.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on March 12, 2021, 04:28:15 PM
yes sir. Time is flying. I bought my two R9's over ten years ago now. One Stealth model to carry, one regular model for a spare in case i ever had issues with the carry one. The spare is new in the case, never fired. Out of all my handguns, I think the R9 is the only one I would call a work of art. I guess along with the Seecamp.

I have since replaced it as my EDC with a PM9, since I am too lazy to clean the way I should after a few days at the range. I think the PM9 is more tolerant of being fouled up.

Its great that this site stays around for us owners of the original R9 to get info. I remember for awhile years back, i used to log on every day to see the latest things guys were doing with/to their R9's. Since I dont give mine too much attention in the past couple of years, I havent been around here. I got an email notification that a guy on the Seecamp forum asked a question about a Rohrbaugh, and he was referred here. I figured I would add my old screenshots of Steves site demonstrating that great plumbing piece he discovered.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: MikeInTexas on March 12, 2021, 05:51:15 PM
Joe, like you I see a lot of folks on this forum that like the Seecamp.  I may have to investigate them further.  However, that .32 acp could be an issue.  Was looking at a surplus CZ last week in that caliber, decided I have enough different ones now as it is.  Heck, I got guns chambered in 4 different rimfire cartridges, from .22 short to 9mm rimfire, LOL.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: Joe from NY on March 12, 2021, 11:51:48 PM
yeah. i got the Seecamp .380.  Shooting it is like holding an M-80 firecracker in your hand. not fun to shoot, but it goes with you anywhere you go. even in a sock. maybe in a cigarette box, i never checked. Its like holding 14 ounces of dynamite in your hand, if the need should arise.
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: backupr9 on March 13, 2021, 09:25:23 AM
Makes follow-up shots difficult with a broken thumb!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Tools for Cleaning and Maintenance of the R-9
Post by: cargaritaville on March 14, 2021, 08:05:59 PM
Carry a box of Band Aids with you at all times.