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Title: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on March 12, 2018, 10:31:03 PM
What about the new Sig Sauer P365?
Has anyone seen one in the wild, handled one, shot one, bought one?
What do you think?

Thanks,
Griff
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on March 12, 2018, 11:39:06 PM
I have one on order along with a million other people. They are slow coming out of the factory due to a shortage of the night sights.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on March 13, 2018, 06:46:06 AM
I read on the sigforum that Sig stopped P365 production to fix a problem with "Peening" Maybe one of our gunsmiths can give their two cents and describe what the problem is.  I always like to wait at least 6 months before buying a new model car or gun so they can work out the early production issues.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on March 20, 2018, 03:28:04 PM
The next batch of Sig P365s are finally arriving. I just bought one on GB for $25 over msrp...that is a far cry from $200 over that they were bringing. Check out the latest review.
http://www.gunsandammo.com/handguns/first-look-sig-sauer-p365/
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on March 20, 2018, 09:53:59 PM
Sig has the 12 rd extended mags back in stock.  I'm getting mine in reverse order.  I ordered the extra mags first, the appendix holster is still on back order, then I'll get the gun when GalleryofGuns.com has them back in stock. 
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on March 20, 2018, 10:07:09 PM
I ordered the ext mags 2 months ago when they were in stock. Holster next...
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on March 21, 2018, 10:11:27 PM
I picked one up on Monday.
Put 100 rounds of fmj Remington and 3 boxes of Gold Dot 115 hp through it without a hiccup.
It has a great trigger, came with night sights, really accurate, shoots like a full size gun.
I could not be happier. I think they could get twice the price and sell every one they make.
I paid $549.  I should be getting my 12 round mags tomorrow.
I carried it, front pocket-holster today. It is a bit more of a lump than my regular R9, but with 11 rounds I didnít feel like I needed a spare magazine.
It is great to live in America and have the right to bear arms, as given by God!




Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on March 22, 2018, 05:58:08 PM
Birmingham Pistol called to tell me that they sold my P365 & 3 others that they had on Gunbroker at a gun show. I can have my money back if I want or wait till their next shipment. It turns out that the 4 they had are the original ones first out that need to be sent back to Sig for the sight upgrade. I will get a refund & never deal with them again.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: tracker on March 22, 2018, 06:02:39 PM
I think that it is better to wait anyway until the rough spots are worked out and the price comes down. That is my plan.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on March 22, 2018, 07:51:44 PM
I think that it is better to wait anyway until the rough spots are worked out and the price comes down. That is my plan.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on March 22, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
I got my two 12 round magazines in the mail today, and put 100 rounds of Winchester white box through them. Still not a hiccup in any form.

Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on March 23, 2018, 09:06:09 AM
I got my two 12 round magazines in the mail today, and put 100 rounds of Winchester white box through them. Still not a hiccup in any form.

Does your barrel have the relief cuts?
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on March 25, 2018, 09:44:35 AM
PhilZ, I just saw your question about the relief cuts to the barrel.
I donít see any cuts, but may not know what to look for.
The box says it was built on May 12th, so I figure it is the improved version.

Cigaritaville, I put my name on the list at Simmons in Bessemer, and they called me on a Friday, and held it until Monday for me.
I paid $549.
I think Bham Pistol unintentionally did you a favor.
Check out Simmons. They are great to deal with, and always have fair prices.

Happy Palm Sunday everyone.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on March 31, 2018, 02:59:32 PM
My Sig P365 just came in. Now to find a owb holster...everyone's sold out of the good stuff. I am amazed at how small & light this gun is, even with an extended mag, which doesn't look any different than the mags that came with it. It holds 12+1 of 9mm plus a mag in the pocket= 26 shots! Can't wait to shoot it! Happy Easter everyone!!
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on April 01, 2018, 04:31:37 PM
My Sig P365 just came in. Now to find a owb holster...everyone's sold out of the good stuff. I am amazed at how small & light this gun is, even with an extended mag, which doesn't look any different than the mags that came with it. It holds 12+1 of 9mm plus a mag in the pocket= 26 shots! Can't wait to shoot it! Happy Easter everyone!!
Where did you get yours?
I am using a belt slide for owb.
I have ordered a Recluse one sided pocket holster.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on April 01, 2018, 07:38:25 PM
I found one on GB for $599.00 & just ordered the Sig holster from Optics Planet.
https://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sauer-blackpoint-tactical-p365-appendix-carry-holster.html
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on April 05, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
Let me know what you think about the holster.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on April 06, 2018, 12:53:01 PM
Holster came in today...iwb. eBay was the only game around...everyone else backordered. Been wearing it for about 3 hours. You forget its even on.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Buffalo on April 06, 2018, 05:23:00 PM
Has anyone done a side-by-side size comparison with the R9?

Just curious.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on April 07, 2018, 03:21:34 PM
Has anyone done a side-by-side size comparison with the R9?

Just curious.
Good question.  I haven't seen anything, and would guess that because the Rohrbaugh is out of production, that it is unlikely for a pro gun-writer to do one.
I did take pictures of my Rohrbaugh next to my P365 to post on here but could not get it to work.  Sorry.

My opinion:
I have compared and shot them side by side, and they are different beasts.

The Rohrbaugh is a pocket pistol that disappears in the pocket, the Sig is a serious lump, and at the limit of pocketable. 
They both have superior triggers, with the Sig being lighter.

The Sig, with the 12 round magazine shoots like a full size gun, has great sights, and feels rugged.
The Rohrbaugh, while very mechanically accurate, is hard to make long shots with.

I have gotten to the point that I don't shoot the Rohrbaugh much at all, because It is somewhat irreplaceable.

I think the Sig is more comparable to guns like the Glock 43, but slightly smaller, while carrying more rounds of ammo.  I like my Glocks, but think Sig has a game changer with this one. 

I bet that there are engineers at lots of different manufacturers burning the midnight oil trying to get their own version of the 365 designed.

 
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: MRC on April 08, 2018, 08:37:54 AM
Has anyone done a side-by-side size comparison with the R9?

Just curious.
Good question.  I haven't seen anything, and would guess that because the Rohrbaugh is out of production, that it is unlikely for a pro gun-writer to do one.
I did take pictures of my Rohrbaugh next to my P365 to post on here but could not get it to work.  Sorry.

My opinion:
I have compared and shot them side by side, and they are different beasts.

The Rohrbaugh is a pocket pistol that disappears in the pocket, the Sig is a serious lump, and at the limit of pocketable. 
They both have superior triggers, with the Sig being lighter.

The Sig, with the 12 round magazine shoots like a full size gun, has great sights, and feels rugged.
The Rohrbaugh, while very mechanically accurate, is hard to make long shots with.

I have gotten to the point that I don't shoot the Rohrbaugh much at all, because It is somewhat irreplaceable.

I think the Sig is more comparable to guns like the Glock 43, but slightly smaller, while carrying more rounds of ammo.  I like my Glocks, but think Sig has a game changer with this one. 

I bet that there are engineers at lots of different manufacturers burning the midnight oil trying to get their own version of the 365 designed.

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What Sig did was first engineer and build a magazine to get the capacity they were looking for.  Satisfied that it would work they then built a gun around their new magazine.  Sounds like it is working from what I have read.

Magazines seem so simple, yet cause so many problems. 

I still do not have my Auto Mag yet.  Reliability has always been hit and miss with Auto Mags since the beginning.  95% of the problems have been magazine related.  I have always been able to get my AMP's to run but it sometimes has taken a lot of messing with the mags.  The new owner and his gunsmiths are developing a magazine that will work in all AMP's and it is a very complicated procedure.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: tracker on April 09, 2018, 12:59:08 PM
And, the 365 is also rated for +P ammo even though there is a school of thought that dismisses the effectiveness of using +P ammo in a short barreled pistol.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: MRC on April 09, 2018, 02:16:08 PM
And, the 365 is also rated for +P ammo even though there is a school of thought that dismisses the effectiveness of using +P ammo in a short barreled pistol.

That school of thought makes no sense to me.  By shooting a short barreled pistol you lose 30 to 40 fps with std pressure ammo over a standard pistol.

My chronograph shows me that I can pick that 30 to 40 fps back up with the +P ammo.  That is all I have carried in my Solo, PM9, or Boberg.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: tracker on April 09, 2018, 02:32:47 PM
Sounds good to me; why not?
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: MikeInTexas on April 09, 2018, 05:47:00 PM
And, the 365 is also rated for +P ammo even though there is a school of thought that dismisses the effectiveness of using +P ammo in a short barreled pistol.

That school of thought makes no sense to me.  By shooting a short barreled pistol you lose 30 to 40 fps with std pressure ammo over a standard pistol.

My chronograph shows me that I can pick that 30 to 40 fps back up with the +P ammo.  That is all I have carried in my Solo, PM9, or Boberg.

How much energy gain are you getting?  6-8% more?  Is that worth the extra recoil, muzzle flash and abuse to the firearm?

I guess it's a personal choice depending on how we all gauge our needs.

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Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on April 09, 2018, 07:18:45 PM
I just found some Liberty Civil defense 9mm 50 gr HP for my Sig p365.  It is backordered everywhere & mfg less than 2 miles from my house. Check it out...

2-Pak Liberty Civil Defense Personal Security Lead-Free 9x19mm Parabellum +P Ammunition 50 Grain Hollow Point TWO 20-rd Boxes Ammo Ė 40 Rounds
This Liberty Ultra Defense ammo offers a unique lead-free lighter-weight and lower-recoil handgun projectile that overcomes the historical range, accuracy and stopping power limitations of handgun ammo. It is the worldís fastest handgun round with near double the kinetic energy and significant improved dispersion at extended range. The 50-grain 9x 19 mm Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense round reaches velocities over 2000 FPS with over 450 ft-lbs of kinetic energy. At 25 meters, Liberty Ammunition Civil Defense achieves less than 2 inches of dispersion. In ballistic gel, this round achieves 12 inches of penetration and a permanent wound cavity greater than 5 inches in diameter. This translates in to a faster, more powerful round capable of catastrophic wound damage with 16% less felt recoil. They will not penetrate the Level IIIA vest, but they create an unprecedented terminal effect in soft tissue.

Part Number: LA-CD-09-014
Caliber: 9mm Luger +P
Bullet Weight: 50 Gr
Bullet Style: Nickel-Plated Copper Jacketed Hollow Point JHP
Case Type: Nickel Plated Brass
Muzzle Velocity: 2000 fps
Muzzle Energy: 533 ft-lbs

Check out the video! Liberty 9mm shot into a gel block
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: MRC on April 09, 2018, 09:37:36 PM
And, the 365 is also rated for +P ammo even though there is a school of thought that dismisses the effectiveness of using +P ammo in a short barreled pistol.

That school of thought makes no sense to me.  By shooting a short barreled pistol you lose 30 to 40 fps with std pressure ammo over a standard pistol.

My chronograph shows me that I can pick that 30 to 40 fps back up with the +P ammo.  That is all I have carried in my Solo, PM9, or Boberg.

How much energy gain are you getting?  6-8% more?  Is that worth the extra recoil, muzzle flash and abuse to the firearm?

I guess it's a personal choice depending on how we all gauge our needs.

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Energy is just a number, terminal results of penetration and expansion are what you need.  This is totally dependent on bullet design and velocity.

The Federal HST 124 +P had great terminal ballistics in the Boberg but wouldn't expand out of the Solo.  The Remington 124 GS +P Bonded work great.

The standard pressure HST's work great out of service size 9's, out of short barreled guns I would expect poor results.

I guess it is all what you think you need, but I want the best if I am going to carry it.  With the R9 choices are very limited as for ammo.  I was never able to shoot a R9 as accurately or as accurately with speed as most other small 9's so I will not carry one.

Flash and recoil have never been a problem for me with any 9, 40, or 45.  I do not shoot my carry guns enough to ever wear them out and I can always shoot range ammo to keep in practice.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: MikeInTexas on April 09, 2018, 10:15:07 PM
Nice Find cargaritaville, that sounds like a hotter version of that Aguila IQ ammo that came out a few years ago.  I don't remember it being that fast though.  Still got some boxes squirreled away somewhere.

MRC if energy is just a number, so is speed.  (In Europe many countries use energy levels to determine if a caliber is legal for hunting.)  In my opinion 40 FPS is not going to make that much difference.  You will get that variance when you take into account temp, air pressure, variances in manufacturing process, distance to target, etc.. 

I personally will not submit my R9 to an ammunition that the folks who designed and made the pistol specifically warn against.  If I feel that I don't have enough firepower, hopefully I will be able to get to the larger pistol in the briefcase or the FAL in the truck.


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Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: MRC on April 10, 2018, 07:54:45 AM
Nice Find cargaritaville, that sounds like a hotter version of that Aguila IQ ammo that came out a few years ago.  I don't remember it being that fast though.  Still got some boxes squirreled away somewhere.

MRC if energy is just a number, so is speed.  (In Europe many countries use energy levels to determine if a caliber is legal for hunting.)  In my opinion 40 FPS is not going to make that much difference.  You will get that variance when you take into account temp, air pressure, variances in manufacturing process, distance to target, etc.. 

I personally will not submit my R9 to an ammunition that the folks who designed and made the pistol specifically warn against.  If I feel that I don't have enough firepower, hopefully I will be able to get to the larger pistol in the briefcase or the FAL in the truck.


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You are certainly correct that velocity is just a number also.  The catch is that velocity combined with bullet design is what yields good terminal ballistics.  A standard pressure round that gives good performance in a service sized  pistol can fail badly in a short barreled micro gun.  You must look at the results from each particular ammunition fired from each particular gun.  I feel that it is usually better to err to the high side on velocity.

Here is the equation to calculate bullet energy:

  Bullet  Energy = .5 X bullet mass X (bullet velocity)(bullet velocity)

As you can see, it is highly weighted toward high velocity rounds.

Give me an explanation as  to how this number translates to bullet effectiveness.  Light weight bullets with high velocities have high energy numbers and fail miserably when shooting game.  It is used in Europe and the United States because it is just a number and easily calculated.  It is not totally meaningless, but one must use a some judgement about how it is used.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: backupr9 on April 10, 2018, 09:57:40 AM
E=(M)(V)(V) is basic physics, but when discussing effect on tissue, the character of the M (bullet) has a large part to play.  If the bullet at 2K f/sec passes clear through the target tissue, the kinetic energy is wasted.  The bullet must expand at an effective depth of tissue at the velocity allowed by the barrel length.  It would thus seem that regardless of other factors, testing of each type of ammo in ballistic gelatin for penetration and wound cavity with each weapon would be the only correct method of identifying the proper round for self defense (and even then the effect of winter vs. summer clothing, etc. must be considered).  Anyone who wishes max kinetic energy out of a small round should try a Ruger LCR in .327 mag...pretty close to a .357 mag but with more muzzle blast and a bit less recoil!

I also wonder what the effect of a tremendous muzzle blast might be on an opponent might be in a gunfight...might be worth a second thought.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on May 12, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
I noticed in the Bass Pro flyer I got in the mail yesterday morning that they had the P365 for $529.  I called at 11am to see if they actually had any and they had 15 left.  By the time I got there at 4pm, they only had the display model and two in the back.  The other salesman goes "One of those in the back is mine." 
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on May 13, 2018, 04:45:12 PM
I noticed in the Bass Pro flyer I got in the mail yesterday morning that they had the P365 for $529.  I called at 11am to see if they actually had any and they had 15 left.  By the time I got there at 4pm, they only had the display model and two in the back.  The other salesman goes "One of those in the back is mine."
Did you get one?
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on May 13, 2018, 10:18:33 PM
With sales tax, I got it for $561.  The previous twelve buyers bought all the extra mags and holsters they had in stock.  I already have the ammo and extra mags, I'm just waiting on a backordered holster.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: cargaritaville on May 13, 2018, 10:38:37 PM
I'm just waiting on a backordered holster.
 I have an extra Sig p365 holster if you're interested.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on May 14, 2018, 02:08:17 PM
I'm just waiting on a backordered holster.
 I have an extra Sig p365 holster if you're interested.

Thanks, I have one on the way.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on May 14, 2018, 08:32:03 PM
Iím using a recluse horsehide one sided pocket holster for mine.
I like it.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on May 17, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Here are some comparison pics with the R9.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: tracker on May 17, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
Close enough for half the price and 10+1 vs 6+1.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Buffalo on May 19, 2018, 03:26:58 AM
Thanks for posting the comparison picture.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on May 19, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
Thanks for posting the comparison picture.

The first pic in the post three posts up is the R9 sitting on top of the P365
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Griff on May 23, 2018, 03:07:07 PM
Close enough for half the price and 10+1 vs 6+1.
The Sig is pocketable for me, but it is quite bit heavier, and much more of a lump.


Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: tracker on May 23, 2018, 04:56:05 PM
Both are very unique carry pieces with their own special features.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: PhilZ on May 28, 2019, 02:42:33 PM
Sig p365 15rd magazines just became available on https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-micro-compact-15rd-9mm-magazine.html (https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p365-micro-compact-15rd-9mm-magazine.html) Of course I had to order a few.  I probably won't carry this in the gun as the extension is pretty long, but I would definitely make this the spare. 
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: johnny on June 28, 2019, 08:35:12 AM
  Interestingly I think my G43 is about the same weight as the new sig, empty and it holds damn near twice as many rounds. I see why the craze.
Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: sslater on July 07, 2019, 11:16:25 PM
I bought one about three weeks ago.  Got the plain black model even though the gun shop had the new tan models, and the newest version with safety.  I figured the safety was one more thing to go wrong, & after a somewhat troubled launch, why buy a new feature (to the P365) that could cause reliability issues?
After several hundred rounds of WWB & Herter's FMJ, I fired 115, 124, & 147 gr Speer GDHP in mixed magazines with no issues. Even successfully tried some standard pressure Underwood Xtreme Defender all-copper "end mill" rounds, which the Rohrbaugh didn't care for..  (Also fired some of the Underwood +P Xtreme Defender rounds successfully.)
I called Sig to order some spare parts, but all they had so far were Recoil Spring Assemblies.  Recommended change interval is 2,500 rounds.  The Sig rep then told me that they had just released a 15 round mag, so I bought one of those, too.  Shooting a 15-round mag of Xtreme Defenders is like throwing $20 bills in the trash.  Yikes!
Post-range session field strip and cleaning revealed no issues & no visible wear - even to the black coating on the barrel or the rails.  So far, so good. But nothing will carry like the Rohrbaugh!!



Title: Re: Sig P365
Post by: Thicker on August 29, 2019, 06:00:15 PM
I am on my second 365, the latest one having the manual safety...Ö.In my opinion it is only surpassed by the Rohrbaugh R9 as the best pocket pistol....