WOOPS, sorry, hit the wrong key and posted prematurely!!  WOW, I'm happy!!  We have generated some discussion!!  R9s I appreciated your grip post, it was well done..  I believe we can "chat" on this forum without becoming trollish.  I believe that anyone that isn't respectful won't last very long!!  I miss hearing from Mr. Hedley and his great wit...  He considers himself to be "older" however, he and I look about the same age!!!!  Have a great evening,  Jim