Author Topic: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.  (Read 11667 times)

Offline mefly2

  • New Member
  • *
  • Posts: 41
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2005, 11:55:11 PM »
Here's another thought for you ...since you spent time as a bullseye shooter.  For defensive work, it is sometimes better to "push" the pistol away from you with your strong hand while at the same time "pulling" backwards with the weak hand.  All the while staying on target as you have done for so long ... and, then, squeeze.  That will help prevent the more "relaxed" posture for bullseye and lends itself to a more focused defensive posture.  $.02
mefly2
   8)

Offline Erich

  • Expert
  • ***
  • Posts: 163
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2005, 11:08:35 AM »
Actually, that sort of a Weaver grip was just what was causing my R9s to malfunction. Its skinny gripframe requires a side-to-side pressure Isoceles grip . . . go figure.

Offline R9SCarry

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 2657
  • Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2005, 08:51:03 PM »
It's still the old cherry tho Erich - ''what works'' for the individual.

I am much more Weaver - always have been - but the actual grip itself is what I think is obviously critical.
Chris - R9S
Guns don't kill people - people kill people.
R9 FAQ Site
NRA Life member and Certified Instructor.

Offline Erich

  • Expert
  • ***
  • Posts: 163
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2005, 11:26:34 AM »
You know, I was a solid "Weaver beaver" until a few years back when I began talking to Andy Stanford, Gabe Suarez and Ernest Langdon about it. Now I spend training time on Weaver, Iso, and single hand - both strong and weak hand. I figure you never know what you'll be up against in a tense situation, so it's good to be trained to adapt.

I "naturally" still fall into Weaver, though.  :)

Offline sslater

  • Master
  • ****
  • Posts: 446
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2005, 05:43:34 PM »
I experimented with all those stances too.  Isosceles, Weaver, Modified Weaver, Chapman.  Got myself pretty confused.
Then I read an article by a guy named Larry Pomykalski.
Below is a quote from Mr. Pomykalski's article:
"Now, I’d seen good shooters before. I’d even studied Matt’s instructional DVDs, “Practical Shooting-Handgun Techniques, Volumes 1-3” for a month or so before coming out to train with him. But nothing I’d ever seen had prepared me for the sight of this multiple world champion lighting the afterburners and setting into a plate rack. “Fast” can’t describe it accurately; in fact, there’s no way to convey in print the speed with which Burkett shoots. Even video falls short. Suffice to say he shoots faster than I would have thought humanly possible, until I saw it myself.After reholstering, Matt turned and continued. “The forward weight bias helps with recoil management. I’ve never understood why some people shoot with their weak hand pulling in, since the gun’s coming in anyway when it recoils. When I shoot, my arms are relaxed, unlocked, and ready to absorb the gun’s recoil at the elbows.” This was, as were all Burkett’s explanations, accompanied by a clear physical demonstration. I practiced the stance and grip I’d been shown a few times, and then fired at the plate rack again, this time in my best approximation of Matt’s posture. After the plate rack was cleared, I turned to Matt. “How long have we been shooting?” Puzzled a little, he replied, “About ten minutes-two magazines.” That’s exactly how long it took for me to realize that I was about to make some quantum improvements in my shooting over this three-day period."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I tried the Burkett technique and found I shoot much better his way.  The first improvement I found was not pushing my shots to 7:30 on the target.  I wasn't flinching, I was anticipating recoil.  Matt Burkett's website put me onto Brian Enos' Slide Glide lube, too.  That was a good day.


Offline Michigunner

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1534
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2005, 08:08:29 PM »
Steve,

His website has some nice Practical Shooting Tips.

Thanks for the information.

He also said:

Add skate board tape, checkering or rubber grips so that you can get a better grip.

I'm going to try that.

Bill

Offline Richard S

  • Grand Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 5772
  • Nemo me impune lacessit.
Re: Follow-up: Bad one? Apparantly not.
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2005, 08:39:53 PM »
I came out of the Army as a confirmed "Weaver disciple."  I have now gravitated to the isosceles stance by preference.  However, as Erich recommends, I practice with both of the above plus freehand stance.  As for weak-hand shooting, I'm so right-hand dominant that I won't even show my left-hand targets to my wife.   :-[

The Pomykalski method interests me.  It sounds a lot like the natural flow of movement typical of the best wing shooters.  
« Last Edit: October 04, 2005, 08:48:37 PM by Richard_S »
(1963-1967) "GO ARMY!"