Any more info on the .380 model ?

[DTM_39]

Collim1 , welcome to the forum.  A change out kit sure makes sense. I could go for that. I don't know how much I would use it. Nice for the collection though. Dan

[harrydog]

I'll be really surprised if we see an actual new model in the forseeable future. A conversion kit, yes, but not a completely new model. Sure, they might eventually sell a gun that says "R380" on the slide, but it would really still be an R9 with a a few different parts, not a completely new model.
Put me down as another one who would probably buy a conversion kit, if the price wasn't astronomical.

[jarcher]

I would buy a conversipon kit for my R9 to make it shoot .380, if the price was reasonable.  I would expect the recoil to drop substantially.  I agree I would not be interested in another Rohrbaugh .380 if it was the same size as the R9.  

[harrydog]

I still hold out hope that there will someday be an all stainless steel version of the R9.  

[Fud]

I would buy an all-stainless steel R9 in a heart beat! For me, size is more of a governing factor than weight. And all-stainless steel R9 would be more durable and the added weight would help reduce recoil and thereby increase accuracy.

[dfsutton]

The question that I have is: Why wouldn't you just buy the Seecamp in .380?

It seems to me that the Rohrbaugh was made to fill a void in the pocket pistol market (lack of a true 9mm pocket pistol), but the Seecamp has already made a .380 that is of great quality and reliability and smaller than the R-9.  

Is the R-380 going to be significantly smaller than the R-9?  If not then I don't quite see the point.  

[DDGator]

Gosh, not pointing at anyone in particular, but I feel like I am beating my head against a wall on this...

The R-380 that is in the works is NOT any different dimensionally than an R-9.  It is an R-9 frame and slide with a .380 barrel, mag and a different spring.

Why would you want one over a Seecamp?  I don't know.  Why would you want a Sig over an H&K?  Just depends what you want, what you like, what you can get your hands on, and what you want to pay.

The R-380 is not a revolutionary gun that will set the market on fire -- its an evolutionary gun for people who want the R-9 package with less recoil, or for overseas sales where 9mm is not allowed.

Incidentally, is a Seecamp .380 blowback or locked breech?

[jarcher]

Incidentally, is a Seecamp .380 blowback or locked breech?

It's blowback, which is a great reason to prefer a R-380 (or a converted R9).  I originally asked how the recoil of a Seecamp 380 compares to a R9 and I didn't see an answer yet but I have read that the Seecamp 380 is a handfull.

Of course, I have read that about the R9 as well.

[RJ HEDLEY]

Gator
The 380 Seecamp is a *Delayed blow back*,  the chamber has a small pocket cut in it that ''fire forms'' a bulge in the brass, therefore delaying the slide for a moment.

[DDGator]

Gotcha.  I figured it was.  So... that may well be another reason to prefer a R-9 to a Seecamp, or maybe not.

RJ -- that is interesting.  I assume then that the brass becomes unreloadable?

[RJ HEDLEY]

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RJ -- that is interesting.  I assume then that the brass becomes unreloadable ?  Gator

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Not sure about that.....

[rtw]

I "prefer" the recoil of the R9 to that of the LWS380.

Which is to say that they are both unpleasant-to me, anyway, but the R9 is less unpleasant.

Neither gun is a "fun" gun for me to shoot at the range. Both guns are controllable and manageable for their intended purpose. I have no doubt that if I ever had to use either, that I would never notice the recoil.

An R380 might be fun to shoot. Sign me up for a kit.

[DDGator]

Well rtw, having shot both, if you prefer the R-9 to the LWS 380, you will LOVE shooting the R-380.  It is a piece of cake by comparison.  That tells me that the R-380 is likely going to be MUCH more pleasant than an LWS 380 to shoot.

[Michigunner]

I'm looking forward to the reduced recoil.  Maybe tape will not be necessary for some of us.

I'm hoping they will provide a conversion kit at an affordable price.

[FB3]

I started another thread on this, but will add my personal experience with both the R9 and the Seecamp 380 as far as recoil goes.

To me it feels as if the Seecamp has a little more recoil than the R9.  Both abuse my trigger finger.