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Help!  Jammed on spent round
« on: June 18, 2010, 02:45:12 PM »
First post: I have owned a black R9s for several months and have not had any problems except for the normal first time cleaning issues.  The gun has about 300 trouble free rounds through it.  

I am taking a shooting class, and the instructor recommended trigger control practice using a spent cartridge in the chamber to prevent damage to the gun.  With help I placed a spent 9mm cartridge into the chamber and dummy fired the gun several times.  After doing this I attempted to eject the spent cartridge and found the slide has jammed.  I can retract the slide about 1/4 inch and no further.  It needs another 1/8 inch of travel to allow removing the pin to take it apart.  The gun was cleaned and lubricated with Balistol and has been carried but not fired since the cleaning.

Any advice will be appreciated!

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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 03:10:39 PM »

Welcome, Dudster; not to state the obvious but did you remove the magazine?

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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2010, 03:40:46 PM »
Thanks for your reply, tracker.  I tried ejecting the cartridge both with and without the magazine. I haven't tried it with a loaded magazine.  I can't tell what is causing the jam, and I am reluctant to start taking things apart without having an idea of what the problem is.

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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2010, 03:48:19 PM »

That is a new one on me.

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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2010, 04:10:12 PM »
Dudster.  Welcome to the Forum.  You may try this.  Hold the slide back as far as you can and take a wooden dowel and insert down the barrel as far as it will go and tap the extending part of the dowel with a hammer, not hard, but hard enough.

This will be tricky as you are holding the gun with slide back with the left hand, say, and inserting the dowel with the other hand, while then reaching for the hammer and tapping the dowel.  This may give you the 1/8" you need to get the pin out.  The dowel should be small enough to fit inside the jammed spent rd as you are going to be tapping the spent rd.  

Don't have any experience doing this, or what caused your problem, just thinking of a way to get you that clearance you need to remove the pin.
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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2010, 04:37:25 PM »
Oh!  In the future, be sure to use snap caps as these can be used for dry firing without any damage.  A-Zoom has over 100 calibers.

http://www.azoomsnapcaps.com/snap-caps-pistol-detail.php?styleRef=cat01&subcategory=25 to 9mm Makarov#anc
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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2010, 05:29:32 PM »

Did you fire it after the previous reassembly before dry-firing it? The reason I ask is that I recall not being able to rack the slide as you describe when I didn't quite do the reassembly correctly. After a few attempts I was able to draw the slide back far enough to disassemble it. This may have nothing to do with the dry-firing and I know many people who use spent cartridges for that purpose but I also like the snap caps. There is another school of thought that says it is all right to dry-fire it with nothing in the chamber but reasonable minds will differ with different guns.



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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2010, 06:26:14 PM »
Hold the gun upside down and tap the top of the barrel on somthing that won't mar it up.   Rack slide as normal.
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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2010, 06:35:29 PM »
Thanks for your comments. I tried the dowel and hammer suggestion without results.  By looking through the grip, it seems like the cartridge is extracting properly.  It seems to be hanging up on something else.  

I did not fire the gun after cleaning,  but the gun was loaded before my practice session and the live round did extract properly when unloading the gun. I had planned to get some snap caps but the local gun shop was out of 9mm.

Lacking other ideas, I will call Rohrbaugh on Monday.


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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2010, 07:19:39 PM »
Dudster.  Sorry that didn't work.  Hopefully Rohrbaugh will have the solution.
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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2010, 03:10:47 PM »
I had this happen on live HCD rounds once.  What had happened is a bit of primer metal flaked off (fried egg primer) and found itself below the barrel lock mechanism, preventing the barrel from dropping.

I was able to get it to open finally just racking it over and over.  Eventually the debris moved out of the way, the barrel was able to drop, and the slide pulled all the way back.

I don't know if this is what you're experiencing.  You might try this with the R9 in various positions.  If you get it apart, keep an eye out for brass shavings down below where the pin resides.

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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2010, 10:39:53 PM »
+1 on what sdlsaginaw found (and did).  I think there was a thread on this issue in the range reports area.  Anyway.  I had a similar jam, and, like sdlsaginaw, just racked the slide really hard.  Make sure you've removed the magazine first.  The thought of laying out $50 to ship my pup back to Rohrbaugh must have given me a little stronger grip because I found several small shavings of brass upon dis-assembly.

Good luck,
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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2010, 11:42:49 PM »

Those elusive metal shavings have been at the center of numerous posts in this forum for many problems. It certainly makes sense in this mystery.

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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 07:43:51 AM »
Dudster:

I just noticed this thread and would offer only a variation of the excellent suggestions above.

With the magazine removed as Tracker noted, fold a piece of leather or heavy cloth around the grips and clamp the R9 firmly in a bench vise. Then have a friend with good hand strength retract and hold the slide as far as it will go while you try the wooden dowel technique KJ described. That would perhaps allow you to be a bit more aggressive in the tapping. Just don't use too much force.  

Finally, I too prefer to use snap caps rather than spent cartridges for dry firing. Brass casings can be deformed slightly during the firing process, although I tend to feel that your problem may be caused by that brass shaving issue mentioned by SD, Steve, and Tracker.

Good luck, and welcome to the Forum!
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Re: Help!  Jammed on spent round
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 04:49:41 PM »
Thank to all for your replies and ideas, they are very appreciated.  As several of you have indicated, I suspect that shavings or chips of brass is the problem.   I have exerted all the force I feel comfortable with and it will not budge.   If I had more hand strength the suggestions given the the posts would have probably worked. Having small hands is an advantage when shooting the R9, but not in this case.

I talked to Maria today and I am sending the gun to Rohrbaugh.  I will have to carry my bulky Ruger SR9 until I get the R9 back.  I already miss it.

Thanks,
Bill