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Offline BlueGrips

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Grease - But why?
« on: September 07, 2005, 04:16:37 PM »
Oil vs. Grease

I have been questioning the logic of using grease on the R9/s, or any gun, as part of regular maintenance. Since the suggestion came straight from the factory, I took that as gospel for I figured they know their product best. But I am still puzzled on the logic!

Oil is always more desirable than grease when it comes to lubricating gun metal parts. Metals lubricated with oil will operate faster because oil is thinner and has less resistance than grease. Grease has the same components as oil (base oil & additives) but also contains thickeners. So it opposes free flow and movement than oil. In colder climates, grease would even slow down cycling and operation of parts.

Furthermore, grease attracts dirt/dust/contaminants and they get in the mix to interfere with the tolerances of your weapon!

The only advantage of grease over oil is that the thickener makes grease possible to retain in "oil bath" areas that normally could not hold oil...over time. Therefore, new pistols are usually always greased from the factory for they may sit indefinitely on the dealers' shelves or distributor's warehouses.

For that reason, newly purchased guns should always be taken down for their 1st cleaning and re-lubing with good oil to clean out the "yucky" factory packing grease!

So if ones were to religiously clean & lube the R9/s, good oil is all the lubrication he would need.

Grease is excellent for rolling-bearing actions of some guns/riffles. Other than that, oil is all one would need.

The R9/s is the only gun I know of that grease is recommended. And I would love to know why!

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Offline sslater

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2005, 05:21:17 PM »
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The R9/s is the only gun I know of that grease is recommended. And I would love to know why!

I've been asking myself the same question. And because the manufacturer is recommending generous application of SuperLube grease, I'm using it.  I got mine home, whipped out my RJHedley Stopstick, pulled it apart, re-lubed per the pix in FAQ, and headed for the range.

My own experience with my R9S indicates there are some really highly loaded areas - like the frame to barrel area.  Less than 200 rounds and my late-build gun has worn thru the anodizing.  Oil would just be squashed out of an area like that.
I went to the extra trouble of degreasing the frame and applying Brownell's Action Magic II before reapplying the SuperLube grease.  So far so good.

As for the grease giving trouble in cold weather, I figure a pocket pistol won't get too cold since it's next to your body.  (Another good reason to get yourself a front pocket holster.)  


Offline Erich

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2005, 11:46:21 AM »
Seems to me that the fact that oil runs out is a pretty good reason to put grease into a carry gun. In my (pretty extensive - almost 20 years) experience carrying pistols, oil runs off/dries up/is absorbed pretty quick. A Rohrbaugh pretty clearly requires heavy lubrication for proper function without the gun starting to tear itself up.

If you're talking about very limited range use only, I don't see why oil wouldn't work as well or, indeed, better than grease.  

But that's not how I use my Rohrbaugh. . . .  ;)

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2005, 05:26:55 PM »
I have mentioned this before but for me key word is persistance.  Oils these days are good - Mobil 1 is good, and in theory at least Militech is great, as they claim there is an actual effect on the metal surfaces which persists even when oil film has dissipated somewhat..

However, I feel that steel running on alunimum does deserve a more persistant film and have actually used some Militech grease, not the oil.  There are other good products out there too IMO as well as the Rohrbaugh recommendation.

The one thing I would wish to avoid at all costs, when doing a shooting session, is running dry as I could see the possibility - probability even, of accelerated wear.

I am content to stick with what is recommended in principle - and also clean and re-lube as much or more than suggested - after all, as far as I am concerned this pup needs good TLC to do its best, accepting still that it is not a plinker - it is a carry piece primarily.

Unless you have pockets full of lint and don't use a holster, then I think the grease being a crud magnet is not an issue.  Even so - if carried a lot and shot a little - some routine maintainance is wise IMO, as with any carry gun - it must be right when needed.

One thing I would NOT do is carry the R9 uncleaned after a massive shooting session - but will carry after a post clean and lube test mag full or two - but not much more.
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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2005, 09:28:52 AM »
Chris, Erich, and Sslater thanks for the input. For the sake of discussion, please allow me to dwell on the subject!  ;D  Several reasons were stated for the use of grease on the R9/s:

1. Oil runs dry pretty quickly - I agree but only if one allows the gun to sit long enough w/o regular cleaning. Maybe most people don't clean their guns often hence the recommendation from the factory. But if this is the only reason, then ALL guns should also use grease as lubricant. Does anyone here use grease on all their guns? On another note mentioned, the newly synthetic stuffs are truly amazing for prolonging the oil’s evaporation.

2. The R9/s is a shoot-little-carry-a-lot-gun - Same as above: if you don't plan on cleaning it regularly. The R9/s is also a tightly tolerance gun hence oil should be more desirable for best performance.

3. Dissimilar use metals – Could be! Could be!  :-/

In short, I wholeheartedly agree that persistence of constant lubrication is the key. But again, this logic should apply to ALL guns and not just to the R9/s.

Chris: I use nothing but synthetic stuff these days, specifically the Militec-1. Along with their oil, I also use their grease. As stated in other thread, I like their stuff very much. If you get it on your skin, washing it off doesn’t seem to go away quickly! If feels extremely slippery over the Mobil-1 of SuperLube stuff that seemed to wash off faster!

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2005, 12:41:03 PM »
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[size=13] Does anyone here use grease on all their guns?[/size]

I have taken to using Militech grease on all semi's - for the rails.  I agree that with steel on steel the Militech oil or another good oil should suffice but - I do like the thought that a more persistent film will exist.

Bottom line tho - don't run em dry!

For revo's I use Militech in very small doses for moving parts - internals when I go inside but mainly routine stuff like crane pivots, cyl's etc.
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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2005, 03:21:49 PM »
I've also like the Militec products, oil and grease.

My R9S only has 25 rounds, so the first cleaning is not quite scheduled.  It will be receiving some Militec oil, followed by the hair dryer treatment, and then Super Lube.

I am extra careful to keep Militec off the outside frame of  pistols, because they get slippery there, too.

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2005, 03:30:41 PM »
M1A- M14 uses grease, but its the only other gun I can think of where its recommended. :-/
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2005, 03:51:56 PM »
I also use Militec grease, when I do use grease. I have a feeling it might be better than the stuff that Rohrbaugh recommends.
I've also wanted to try Slide-Glide for a long time now, but never got around to it. Now that I have the R9, I think I'll order some and give it a try. The people who have tried it seem to love it, based on comments from other forums.
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/slide-glide.html

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2005, 05:06:20 PM »
I also use Militech TP-25W grease on all my semiautos. Man, that's nice stuff.  :)

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Re: Grease - But why?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2005, 03:46:13 AM »
Sig recomends TW25B and even ships a small sample with their pistols.  I use that and Militec-1.  

For a pocket gun, I would guess that the grease is recomended because it will stay put.  In addition to not wanting the oil to run out of the gun, you don't want it to run onto the primers of your ammo and sit there.  If that happens the primers could fail.

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« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2005, 10:25:35 PM »
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I also use Militec grease, when I do use grease. I have a feeling it might be better than the stuff that Rohrbaugh recommends.
I've also wanted to try Slide-Glide for a long time now, but never got around to it. Now that I have the R9, I think I'll order some and give it a try. The people who have tried it seem to love it, based on comments from other forums.
http://www.brianenos.com/pages/slide-glide.html

I use Slide Guide on my 1911's, Glocks (ugh), H&K and now on my new Rs.  I find it's fine stuff, stays put and really in slick.  For example, I slam a magazine in a Glock or 1911 hard enough the slide goes forward by itself. Slick and slicker.

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