Gold Dots 115 gr. Stuck on the Ramp ***UPDATE

[DTM_39]

Ronc, All Rohrbaugh has to do is make the gun bigger.  Then it will go bang every time with every kind of ammo.   This is a precision machine milled to the .0001 and as such there are some hiccups till you get it right. Dan

[capt.koolaid]

And thats an answer that will inspire confidence!

[Brenden]

Confidence is what I have with my pup!!

I would not carry it otherwise..
I have many other guns that are reliable too,of the same caliber,but I can't fit the dudes in my pocket!!

I love the Seecamp,but it is not a 9mm,I carry it on "offside" pocket when I feel the "need" .380 or the .32..

The pup is a constant companion,and has been more than reliable for me!!

Brenden

[riffraff]

Ron C,

I think I understand what you are trying to say and I have to say that I pretty much agree with you.  But remember, after you find just the right ammo it will be 100% reliable.  Both mine are but ONLY with specific ammo.  I guess I must be holding mine wrong.

Mike

[R9SCarry]

This pic is in one of my test reports - #3 - and have posted it before.

My take is this - despite ''to spec'' being applied to factory ammo - we have tolerances as with anything.  Compare these few examples and we see difference OAL's and ogive radii etc - and with the pup it is perforce a bit fussy.

Large 9mm's will be flexible in what they eat - most anything but the pup does require the finding of what works best.  Whether that is the same for all of us or not - and seems not - it is still IMO the way to find what suits your R9.  

I have said before and repeat again - the gun is cutting edge for size vs cal and needs 100 octane fuel rather than good ol 87 regular

[ronc]

okay, i knew i would tick some of you off with my original comments.  Let me apologize just a bit.  I will make two comments here in reponse to what has been posted in reponse to my comment.  First, to continue with the analogy of the exotic car:  i have had a couple of semi-exotic cars and yes they require high maintenance but you don't have to go around looking for a "Shell" station because you can't feed it Exxon or Amoco  (smile).  It will run on any premium fuel. Now before i get a storm of hate mail from this comment, let me respond to another comment posted.  Someone made a simple statement that all Rohrbaugh had to do is make the gun bigger and it would not be tempermental.  That hit home with me and i expect this is a true statement.  so, I agree that you have to give up something to get a gun that is this small and still shoots "big boy" size ammo.  So, as simple as that was, it makes a difference to me.  Yes, if i was trying to fit a 427" engine in a Honda, i expect it would take a lot of Thinking and it would probably be a bit tempermental.  So, i withdraw my original comment and wish you all a good day. Ron C

[tracker]

Ron, It sounds like you had a slight case of buyer's remorse
and were just looking for some warm, fuzzy reasons to own
the pup--nothing wrong with that.

[riffraff]

Hello All,

No, I will expand on Ron C's posts.  The last I have heard there were still no ammo recomendations in the owners manual.
And as was said earlier, for a 1K handgun is should be expected to function perfectly with the recomended ammo which of course the manual does not mention so any even slightly educated gun owner must conclude that practically any ammo will function.

Men, whether you want to admit it or not, and I don't care about any other manufacturers previous guns in their early periods and the problems that those guns had, etc., etc., etc..  The Rohrbaugh R9 has some issues.  Now if the R bros. can remedy these issues immediately and all further production guns are reliable then Rohrbaugh will be selling R9's  AND moveing to larger production facalities maybe 2 or 3 more times AND introducing new products etc., etc,.  If not then they will remain a small company with limited distribution of their products.

Unlike Ron  C.  I do not retract my posts.  These are my opinions and I don't care if some people do not like it.  This post is not intended to provoke or rile or p*** anyone off.  I have read most posts on the board.  I am familiar with what the R9 is all about, that is why I own 2 of them.  Most average shooters in the U.S. will not put up with some of the problems that SOME have had with the R9.  Those people will  think their gun is a jam O matic and sell it soon after buying it and from then on they will convey a negative perspective of the R9 to anyone they do gun talk with.

Well,  I have rambled on enough.  I mean everything I wrote in this post.  If you wish to disagree, no problem.  But I won't back off as easily as Ron C. did.

I love my R9's, Mike

[capt.koolaid]

Ron C,

I think I understand what you are trying to say and I have to say that I pretty much agree with you.  But remember, after you find just the right ammo it will be 100% reliable.  Both mine are but ONLY with specific ammo.  I guess I must be holding mine wrong.

Mike

 


 :DHold it like ya mean it!

[TXAGGIECHL]

Speaking of holding, I think I'm going to hold on to my $1k until some reliability changes are made to the R9 at the factory.  

From the reading I've done, it still seems pot-luck as to whether you'll get a shooter.

I have neither the time nor money to go through 8+ different types of ammo, seeing which one the R9 will work with, in addition to paying for return shipping on a brand new gun back to the facotry.  

The fact that many NEW R9's require trip(s) back to the shop is unacceptable IMHO.

It seems to me that there's really no motivation to make the R9 more ammo friendly since people are still tripping over each other to order one.  

If it requires adding 0.05" here & 0.1" there, so be it, just git-r-done as I'd REALLY like to order one soon!

[riffraff]

TXAGGIECHL,

Since I have 2 R9's and have already done all the ammo research I can give you 3 types that I would be willing to guarantee will function in any R9 you acquire.  You won't have to do anything at all except maybe order the ammo online if it is not available at your local.  I have posted the ammo types previously in another thread.  Even with the difficulties that I have had I like mine.  They are sweeeeet handguns.

Mike

[sebis]

I wanted to follow up on my initial post, since I went pass the 100 rounds mark, I DID NOT have another failure with my R9S. I did settle on the 115 gr Silvertips as carry ammo.

--Sebis

[Calvin Cooledge]

Finally, I appears that my R9S is cured, I run 4 magazines of Silvertips and one magazine of GS 115 gr. without a hiccup. I think mine is now finally broken in after 100 rounds.

I think I like the Silvertips, I felt less recoil then Gold Dots. I am making the Silvertips my carry ammo for the Rohrbaugh.

--Sebis

Oh, great! Now I have 900 rounds of GDHP and a 10,000 year supply of Super Lube. Sheesh!

Hello everyone! I noticed nobody noticed my absence. I'm the kind of guy, who, when he walks into a room, it's like someone important just left;^)

Many of my exploits keep me away from the list (guitars for one thing, but I'm not going there on this list again;^) Also, the biz is keeping me, um, bizzy. And all the campaigning is taking it's toll;^)

BTW-those of us who DO like to talk about guitars can go to The Gear Page <thegearpage.net/board/> Lot's of nice people there, too!

I hope ya'll have been well. I miss this place. I need more time to read!

Calvin Cooledge
"Vote for me; The other guy's worse..."

[sslater]

Calvin Cooledge,
Welcome back.  I'm sort of an invisible man myself.  Sometimes that's a good thing.

I've got only 200 rounds of GDHP ammo to get rid of.....and a lifetime supply of SuperLube.

I just got off the phone with Maria at Rohrbaugh because there's a lot of information in other threads about lubrication, recoil springs, grip screws, etc.  A lot of that information is wrong.
FWIW: Maria said that anyone with questions should call her directly and she'll answer them or get the answer if she doesn't know.

Ammo: Karl R. carries Winchester Silvertips.  (So do I, as they've been 100% reliable. I started having feed problems with GDHP @ about 250 rounds.)  

Grease: Rohrbaugh is now using the Hornady lube because he found a lot of the returned guns had too much Superlube grease.  But if you are satisfied with SuperLube, there is no reason to switch.  (I've switched to Brian Enos' SLIDE GLIDE and feel it works better than SuperLube.  It was designed specifically for 1911 guns.  I've been using it for a few years on my other autoloaders.)

Oil:  Any good quality gun oil is fine.  Rohrbaugh has stopped recommending Mobil 1 because the grade originally suggested is no longer offered.  (I have a quart - enough for 500 years.)

Recoil Spring:  The recommendation is still 200-250 rounds before changing spring.  There has NOT been a spec change on the spring.  Rohrbaugh doesn't recommend changing the guide rod assy as a normal maintenance item.

Grip Screws: They have NOT gone to a harder screw.  About 4 weeks ago they got a new batch of screws in that take a 1.5 mm allen wrench instead of 1/16".  Rather than hold up shipment of finished guns to dealers, Rohrbaugh decided to ship guns with the metric hex screws and send replacement screws to new owners when they get a batch of 1/6" hex screws in.  This was a supplier goof and it takes a little time to get new stock set up & run off.  When they turn the screw making machine, they make thousands of the little buggers.

[Arizona]

Would it make a difference if Rohrbaugh came out and said it takes a 100 or 200 hundred round "break in period"?

Would our expectations be different?