long-distance shooting tips?

[pelahale]

I'm able to hit my bullseye up to about 10yds out, but once I get to about 21yds out on my range, I have a hard time.  I'm resorting to squeezing my trigger more than halfway to take up slack & minimize jerking, but still I can't reliably hit bullseyes that far out.  Some of it is definitely me flinching.  I have yankee2500's mag extensions on two of my mags & none on another 2, and I noticed that I can shoot with no pain using the extensions.  My shots are much further off with the mags without extensions, I believe because I know the pain will come when I shoot them so I flinch unavoidably.  

I'd love to be able to have the confidence of knowing I can shoot between the eyes from about 21-25 yards out.  It's written that a perp could close that distance in just over a second.

Any tips for us newbs from you R9 dead-eye shooters?

[Z]

I had to slow my shooting down and take my time.

It took me a while to shoot my R9 half way decent. I had a hard time taking multiple handguns to the range and being able to shoot the PUP well. I now start with the R9 or only take the R9 to the range. Practice, Practice Practice!

I had the front and backstrap checkered and a Yankee2500 mag entension installed. All of these modifications improved my grip on the gun and my shot as well.

[kjtrains]

I'm used to shooting the .454's, .44 mag, Taurus Judge, so the R9 is no problem; not as if that is a solution, but works for me.  

[Richard S]

palahale:

I would recommend employing an Isoceles stance, using a firm grip, keeping both eyes open while concentrating primarily on the front sight, slowly and steadily "stacking" the trigger (as you have described), and consciously striving to avoid anticipation of recoil. Then it's just practice, practice . . . well, you know the rest.    

[Carter]

I'd love to be able to have the confidence of knowing I can shoot between the eyes from about 21-25 yards out.  It's written that a perp could close that distance in just over a second.

Any tips for us newbs from you R9 dead-eye shooters?

A perp reaching you from 75 feet in one second?
I'd invite you to try a sprint like that yourself and come back and give us your time.

I think if you identify a threat 75 feet away, you're much better off running in the other direction yourself than unloading at them.
You might think about reviewing what self defense and defensive carry are all about before worrying about a 75 foot distance scenario.

If you really have put yourself in a position to have to defend yourself at 75 feet, I think you might have brought the wrong gun to the fight because that's more of an offensive scenario than a defensive one.

If you can keep a group of 7 rounds inside a pie plate at 15 feet, you are way more than prepared for whatever comes your way.

[pelahale]

Carter,
I didn't say in 1 second - I said "just over a second" -
Usain Bolt can run at 23miles per hour for just over 300 feet.  He could reach you from 67ft in exactly 2 seconds.  If you're thinking you have a lot more time than that when a motivated perp is running at you, you need to review what self defense and defensive carry is all about yourself.

[Alphonso]

A perp reaching you from 75 feet in one second?
I'd invite you to try a sprint like that yourself and come back and give us your time.

I think if you identify a threat 75 feet away, you're much better off running in the other direction yourself than unloading at them.
You might think about reviewing what self defense and defensive carry are all about before worrying about a 75 foot distance scenario.

If you really have put yourself in a position to have to defend yourself at 75 feet, I think you might have brought the wrong gun to the fight because that's more of an offensive scenario than a defensive one.

If you can keep a group of 7 rounds inside a pie plate at 15 feet, you are way more than prepared for whatever comes your way.

^^^ What he said...

[Carter]

Carter,
I didn't say in 1 second - I said "just over a second" -
Usain Bolt can run at 23miles per hour for just over 300 feet.  He could reach you from 67ft in exactly 2 seconds.  If you're thinking you have a lot more time than that when a motivated perp is running at you, you need to review what self defense and defensive carry is all about yourself.

I'll keep that in mind the next time Usain Bolt comes after me.
A typical perp... maybe not so fast.

Seriously, if I end up on the jury being asked to judge you based on your shooting someone 75 feet away, I'm going to be looking long and hard at whether you had an opportunity to avoid the shot and simply have gotten yourself out of the way.
I'm also going to be darn sure that the guy you shot 75 feet away and was running after you wasn't just trying to return your wallet that you just dropped, or was trying to catch you to ask directions before you went across the street, or even just trying to sell you some dope (not itself a justification for a shooting).

I'd appreciate it if you'd wear a John Deere cap whenever you go out because that way I can make sure that I stay at least 75 feet away from anyone wearing a John Deere hat, and especially make sure not to attempt to start a conversation with them.

[yankee2500]

You may have trouble staying that distance from everyone south of the Mason Dixon line wearing a John Deere hat.

[Carter]

You may have trouble staying that distance from everyone south of the Mason Dixon line wearing a John Deere hat.

Oh crap; a flaw in my plan.  

[Reinz]

I think pelahale got his "yards" and "feet" mixed up.

When he said "it is written......"

Massad Ayoob has written many times about this as well and spoken about this on TV.  And he says that a perp can cover 21-25 FEET with a knife and cut you within a 1-1.5 seconds.
Which is also faster than most can react, clear leather, and shoot.

That was Massad's point.  

Mayber pelahale's was the same, he just misquoted the distance.

Geez, give the guy a break.

Cheers

[Reinz]

oops

[pelahale]

Actually I didn't get my yds & ft mixed up - I really do intend to be proficient with my Rohrbaugh from 21-25yds as I strongly believe that's the distance I'm comfortable with when some wiseguy like Carter with Usain Bolt-like speed comes after me.  I don't know if you guys ever played football but 25yds ain't that far if you know what I mean.  

If I reach to pull my pup when some Carter-like dude harasses me from just 21 feet away or closer, I'm not sure my old-man reflexes will be fast enough to get myself set to shoot by the time Carter has me in his rear-naked choke or worse, grabs my weapon.  

Also, I've been chased twice by thugs after midnight when I lived in Philly (once I was chased for over 15 blocks).  Believe me, you know a threat when it's approaching from 25 yds away.  If you don't, you're not very perspicacious.  I've also had a metal object shoved at my back (a gun?) by a would-be mugger, and I don't think drawing my weapon would be a possibility in that scenario - keeping yourself continent and with-it is just about all you can do in that situation.

In any case, no hard feelings to you Carter or anyone else who disagrees with me strongly, but I believe you guys are wrong on this one.

[Reinz]

I understand that you want 25 yard performance.  Your experience dictates it.  And I totally respect that.

Your eyes are much better than mine, I just can't do 25 yards at a  paper target any more, especially with an R9.   Now a mansize target,  no problem.

As far as your 'it is written statement" , I've never seen it written as 25 YARDS, it's ALWAYS been FEET.

Good Luck