Author Topic: Immediate Action drills  (Read 3745 times)

Offline flintsghost

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Immediate Action drills
« on: May 05, 2011, 11:01:59 AM »
One thing I have taken notice of when shooting my R9S and when my son was shooting his, was the total lack of a solution for immediate action drills based on what we have been trained to do.

While my R9S has never malfunctioned, my son's did twice in the first two magazines fired.   In both cases it was a failure to feed.   The routine trained "immediate action drill," should be ...tap, rack, bang.   Doesn't work at all.   In fact just trying to get the magazine removed with a partially fed round is an experience.   Normally with a magazine that doesn't want to come out, I would just lock the slide back and with my finger try to push the offending round back into the magazine enough until it came out.   That doesn't work either because first there is no slide stop or lock and second, the magazine release is not conducive to removing the magazine with a round partially fed.   In this case it was almost a two man operation that involved me holding the weapon pointed down range and holding the slide open to remove the pressure, then my son worked the mag release and with his swiss army knife pried slightly on the mag base plate and the mag started out enough that he could pull it the rest of the way.   I can see that part of that was caused by a new magazine with a very tight mag spring.

The immediate action drill for a stovepipe might actually work. This is where your support hand moves across the top of the weapon, hitting the offending case and pulling it out of the port as it goes by.   However, I have my doubts that this would allow the slide to be retracted enough to continue the feeding process.   I will have to try this with the dummy snap cap rounds and a cartridge case to see how well it works.

I'd be interested to hear from others on what they have experienced and any solutions.
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Offline Reinz

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Re: Immediate Action drills
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 11:39:16 AM »
When I have had FTfeed, and if pressing on the slide did not help, I just pulled the mag and let the round fall down the mag chute.  I did not have the trouble releasing the mag as you did.
I do not recall any stovepipes or FTeject.
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Offline flintsghost

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Re: Immediate Action drills
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 07:11:29 PM »
In both cases of FTF that my son had, the round partially moved forward and nose into the bottom of the ramp, wedging itself very nicely.  Routine release of the magazine yielded nothing.  The magazine was stuck very tightly.   I've seen that happen with S&W semi's and then you had enough overhanging floorplate to jerk the magazine down and then the round would either pop out or stand straight up in the magazine.   Other than that I haven't seen it happen before.

Happily after the first two times in the first two magazines full it didn't happen again.   I couldn't even guess why it happened because I wasn't the shooter at the time.  
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