Third Trip, First Hiccup

[kjtrains]

Sounds like the words of an addict to me.

 

Probably so!       Somehow, there's never enough power!    

[Reinz]

Probably so!       Somehow's there's never enough power!    

Sounds like the proud words of Tim the Toolman Taylor - augghh - augghh -augghh- augghh!  MORE POWER!


Fortunately the cartridge case can only hold so much powder.  

[kjtrains]

True.  But then you just go to whatever the next caliber that is dreamed up.    

[Reinz]

I hear ya Brother!  

gotta go to work now, talk to ya tomorrow.

[yankee2500]

I like the way you think!  

I have to agree on all points.

However, I think a lot of us are guilty of trying to save a few bucks on "just practice ammo" and grab the cheap 115 gr stuff.  
 As we all know 115 gr happens to be the "gold standard' for 9mm- nato.  And one would think a semi-hand built $1000 pistol should run the stuff.  But then again, think of it as "custom".

I guess I am fortunate that one of mine will eat the stuff up.  I haven't tried the other one yet.

9mm NATO is 124gr

9mm NATO vs. 9mm Luger
Posted on April 3, 2009 by Caleb
Now that’s a fun topic right there – as in, what’s the difference between ammo that’s loaded to 9mm NATO pressures and ammo that’s loaded to 9mm Luger pressures?  First off, you have to establish that there is a difference, because there are people out there who will fight and argue that NATO spec ammo is exactly the same as commercial 9mm Luger.  It’s not, trust me.  Aside from the obvious difference in bullet weight (9mm NATO is 124 grain, most commercial plinking 9mm ammo is 115 grain) rounds that are loaded to NATO spec are loaded to a higher pressure than rounds loaded to industry standard.

From Cartridges of the World, 9th Edition page 482:
Cartridge, Caliber 9mm Ball, NATO, M882

Weapon: Pistol, Automatic, Cal 9mm, M9, M11

Velocity: 1251 +/-25 fps at 16 meters
Pressure: 27,000 psi, max. avg.
Cartridge: 179 gr.
Case: 42 gr.
Bullet: 124 gr Copper Alloy
Propellant:
Brand: HPC 26
Type: Double Base Flake
Weight: 5 gr. 6 gr.
Point Ident: Plain Tip
          

[ACP]

I love the book Cartridges of the World It is a wealth of information; more than I will ever need to know but it is there if I want to read about it.

The 700 Nitro Express cartridge is beyond my comprehension but, hey, they make it.

[coyote]

...700 Nitro Express cartridge is beyond my comprehension but, hey, they make it....

if i recall correctly from 15 years ago, the last price for a 700NE was $100 per cartridge. i imagine its gone up since.

i'll stick to 9 mike mike, thank you.

[kjtrains]

Ah, yes!  The 700 Nitro Express.



Here's the rifle!  Click on the arrow once pulled up.  Watch the firing.  There's a bolt action and a double barrel.

http://www.texashuntfish.com/app/forum/10507/

[yankee2500]

kj I bet you can't wait for the Ruger African 700 NE pistol.  

[Richard S]

As one who has been hunting since he was nine years old, I truly believe in Robert Ruark's admonition to "use enough gun." But that 700 Nitro Express is, in my not so humble opinion, simply insane. Hunting with that thing would seem to be about as sporting as using an RPG.

I may have posted this once before, but when I think of hunting in its purest sense, this image sometimes comes to mind -- one man, one lion, one spear:

[kjtrains]

kj I bet you can't wait for the Ruger African 700 NE pistol.  

John.  That would be some kind of gun!      

As one who has been hunting since he was nine years old, I truly believe in Robert Ruark's admonition to "use enough gun." But that 700 Nitro Express is, in my not so humble opinion, simply insane. Hunting with that thing would seem to be about as sporting as using an RPG.

I may have posted this once before, but when I think of hunting in its purest sense, this image sometimes comes to mind -- one man, one lion, one spear:

I must agree, and since this rifle is no longer made, I don't think we have to worry about how insane it is hunt with one of these.  

I know they're still around and at a hefty or might I say, insane price.    

[tracker]

On the other hand maybe big guns are a phallic expression of sorts.

[kjtrains]

On the other hand maybe big guns are a phallic expression of sorts.

I do disagree with that statement!

[yankee2500]

On the other hand maybe big guns are a phallic expression of sorts.

 

[kjtrains]

 

I knew you would get a kick out of that, John!