From a 32, to a 380, to a 9mm - and soon it will reverse

[the_skunk]

Size & carry-ability

I am in South Fl and live in cargo shorts, if I lived in Nome Alaska, it would be different viewpoint. The Seecamp 32 because of size, dependability, safety factors (double strike capabilities, mag safety, etc) is in a class by itself. The cons are 'Ammo'.

All these guns are 'ammo sensitive', and that's a "fact of life". All guns go thru a phase - in 1985 the .380 Colt Pony was before it's time, now 2006 , it's cousin, the Rorhbaugh is a cult thing. Right gun at right time.

I'd still like to see a mini colt pony eat 25 or 32 acp, cheap and dependable, right out of the box. As for your present R9. I would love to see it shoot a 22 TCM

[tracker]

"Ammo" is a big con; that is one good reason among many others to stay with 9mm. There are many options other than the R9 and there will be more in the future.

[the_skunk]

"Ammo" is a big con; that is one good reason among many others to stay with 9mm. There are many options other than the R9 and there will be more in the future.

I got a 32, a 380, a 763 (broomhandle) and all the rest are 9mm. That different ammo is a pain. The specialized ammo (Seecamp and Mauser) is a real pain. The seecamp is every day carry, and the mauser doesn't get shot much, so they are tolerable.

[JoshA]

Try the cheap and reliable (with the right self defense ammo) and good sights and .380 +p rated and light as your Seecamp and excellent trigger and more user friendly than the Seecamp all the way around kahr cw.380.

I paid $250 for mines.

You can absolutely dump a mag on target in a hurry.

I have a Seecamp .32 and .380. I would actually prefer the .32 over the .380 in the Seecamp, but the kahr .380 is a dream to shoot comparatively.

I would prefer 9, but until my r9 gets fixed I don't have a better pocket gun than the kahr .380. The solo is a tad too big for my pockets.

[MRC]

I started carrying with a LWS32 and that was it until the Colt Pony came out.  A good pistol with a bad trigger and the fear of light hits was always in the back of my mind.

Next came the Colt Pocket Nine.  Good pistol with a bad trigger and again I had the fear of light hits.  It seemed too large at first, but I have learned to just put it in your pocket and leave it there and in a couple of days you don't even notice it.

After trying about everything I am stuck on the Solo and it works for me.  If dress does not allow me to carry the Solo, I go to the P380 which is as easy to carry, as reliable, and as accurate as any carry gun I have owned.

I would not even consider a LWS 380 for carry.  Too many better choices.

I agree with tracker, 9mm is the way to go with pocket carry if you can shoot it accurately, shoot it accurately with speed, and conceal it.

[JoshA]

Point well put IMO.

No experience with the colt products, but not wild about the LWS 32/380 and love the solo and lovethe kahr CW 380 which I understand is basically a P380 without some of the posh features.

I think your judgement is pretty spot on IMO MRC.

[the_skunk]

The Khar 380 sounds interesting. Dependability, and safety, are my major concerns. When I hear that crap about "Ammo sensitive", I just cringe. And then you got 14 months of an ammo shortage (even 22s were hard to find). I went out and bought a S&W snubnose, figuring it has to be super dependable - guess what, it had a short firing pin, and had to go back to the factory.

[MRC]

The Khar 380 sounds interesting. Dependability, and safety, are my major concerns. When I hear that crap about "Ammo sensitive", I just cringe. And then you got 14 months of an ammo shortage (even 22s were hard to find). I went out and bought a S&W snubnose, figuring it has to be super dependable - guess what, it had a short firing pin, and had to go back to the factory.

Mr skunk

I would highly recommend that you try the Kahr CW380.  I have a P380 but from all reports that I have read the CW does the same job at a lower price.

The little Kahrs are accurate, reliable, fun to shoot and easy to carry.  The P380 is a hard gun for me to put down at the range as it is really fun to shoot.

I know that you have a thing about striker fired guns which I really do not understand but try the Kahr and you might change your mind.

[tracker]

Not to stir up a hornet's nest in a stable of blue blood gun aficionados but I have found the second generation P-3AT to be quite reliable and dependable; so much so that I installed a hard chrome slide on it.   Kel-Tec customer service is very responsive and they will generally send you free parts in the unlikely event you need them.

http://www.thektog.org/forum/f87/1st-vs-2nd-generation-p3at-197491/

[the_skunk]

'If do glove don't fit, then you must acquits'

Not to stir up a hornet's nest in a stable of blue blood gun aficionados but I have found the second generation P3AT to be quite reliable and dependable;

A big part of these 'Nuevo Pistolas' is ammo. I want to shoot cheap 32 ball ammo, $15 a box.  I emailed KelTec and they told me their 32 preferred $40 a box Win Silvertips. The other thing is size, and that's where the Seecamp stands out. All I can really talk about is the guns I have owned. The Seecamp is super safe, and small - but a ammo sensitive b*tch. My next favorite is a Sig 232 (PPK type). And it's how you carry - In South Fla it's cargo shorts.

At the end of the day - It's all about how dependable the gun is.

[MRC]

Not to stir up a hornet's nest in a stable of blue blood gun aficionados but I have found the second generation P-3AT to be quite reliable and dependable; so much so that I installed a hard chrome slide on it.   Kel-Tec customer service is very responsive and they will generally send you free parts in the unlikely event you need them.

http://www.thektog.org/forum/f87/1st-vs-2nd-generation-p3at-197491/

I have no experience with the 2nd generation Kel Tecs but I do own a P32 and a P3AT of the old style.  I bought the P32 at a Gun Show for under $200 out the door just to see if it would work.  I was pleasantly surprised as it shot everything I loaded into it.  That was mostly my own reloads back then.  The same for the P3AT.  Very utilitarian type pistols that serve the purpose for what they were made.

I found them both very reliable,  just junky looking.

I presently have a Kel Tec KSG and find it to be easy to shoot and it works great.  I have had zero problems with it, just a little pricey in my opinion for what you get. 

The KSG is the only firearm I have ever owned that allows you to load a full pound of lead at one time

[JoshA]

The KSG is the only Keltech I presently own and find it to be reliable and punishing. Wouldn't want to receive the real punishment it delivers though. 

I like some of the keltech designs. Crude but effective.

[the_skunk]

Pull, point, and shoot

If a Bruther, or Jose, or a Road-Rager, or Zimmerman, or Klebold from Columbine, or 'Popcorn Killer', or whatever mugger or nutcase is out there, you need a sure steady hand. That is not the time for fumbling with safeties, or a weaver stance, or a 2 second aim, ....... "No, no, no" ....  Pull and shoot.

And when you are in the 7/11, or ATM, or walking in a late night parking lot, it's best to be aware. Look at Dillinger, or Wild Bill Hickcock, or Jesse James, - their 'Situational Awareness' wasn't there. It all happens fast and the last thing you need is a Jam-A-Matic. You need to be at the range, and just being repetitive. It would be nice if there was a facility that offered real life scenarios, versus booths at the range.

[tracker]

Contact Gunsite; they will be happy to help:

http://www.gunsite.com/main/course-calendars/2014-course-schedule/

[the_skunk]

Contact Gunsite; they will be happy to help:

http://www.gunsite.com/main/course-calendars/2014-course-schedule/

I am debating whether to spend $8 to go to local gun show. Tough to drop $2500 on airfare, hotels, etc. But their course prices seem reasonable, if you lived there. Of course when you add up what you spent on guns, ammo, ranges, etc - it does make sense