FS R9 $850

[hotel charlie]

For Sale - R9 $850
I bought this R9 in 2010 from AJ Sport Shop at the gun show in Conroe, TX. I have maybe shot a box to function test with carry ammo. I have all the documents, the box, two magazines, and a spare unopened replacement recoil spring. I have carried it a few times, but it shows no wear. I can provide additional pictures as requested. We can talk on the phone to answer further questions and improve buying confidence if interested. I am in the south Fort Worth area and am open to FTF transfer with LTC or DL and bill of sale.   

[MikeInTexas]

Nice late model R9, probably I think those had every improvement incorporated into them.

BTW, Conroe has a gun show this weekend.  Never knew Allen of AJ sold these guns.

Good Luck with you sale.

[hotel charlie]

Thank you sir.

I saw the little guy at a show in Ft Worth but didn’t act on the impulse. A short time later we planned a trip in to Tomball so I called his shop to see if he still had it, and found out he was going to be at the Conroe show. I beat feet to the show and grabbed it.

Every time I pick up the R9 I admire the fit and finish. I hate to sell but I have made a decision to trim the numbers. I am letting go of a few others. I will have to review the rules but I don’t think I can list them here as they are not R9’s.

[DDGator]

The classifieds are generally limited to Rohrbaugh guns and related items.  Honestly, this is not the place to get exposure on any other type of listing.

[MikeInTexas]

Out of curiosity, why the bill of sale requirement? 
Do you believe it provides a level of security instead of being a liability?
(The attorney that handles my NFA items told me to avoid them whenever possible.)


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[DDGator]

Interesting question, Mike.  As long as you do the sale legally -- i.e., to an adult Florida resident -- I'm not sure how it could create liability?

In my mind, the bill of sale is your proof that you no longer own or are responsible for the firearm. 

I was contacted once by law enforcement about a gun that I had bought new winding up in their possession.  They did not say why.  I told them I had sold it to an unknown person at a gun show for cash.  I'm sure that sounded shady...  I never heard anything else about it, but that made me a lot more interested in documenting sales. 

[MikeInTexas]

I've been told by the lawyer than handles my firearm trusts not to, if I can avoid it.  A bill of sale can quickly become a signed confession by an aggressive prosecutor if you slipped up and sold it to a prohibited person and other reasons.  Even if they fooled you into thinking they were legit (the old saying: You may beat the rap, but you will not beat the ride. applies).  In Texas (and I think Florida as well) it is not required.  Giving out my personal information that can tie me to anything, a time and place may not always be in my best interest.  I know a lot of gun selling sites for individuals seem to promote them and I wonder if that is an attempt to pacify those that want to take our freedom to freely sell and trade our personal items from us.  Many say, well if its used in a crime it proves I am not attached to the gun.  Yeah, but you are probably safe anyway due to a multitude of reasons, but now you are connected to the crime with a paper trail.  I have never (and never will) make a shady gun sale, however I don't feel the need to obsess over and remember the details of the transaction once it's completed.

Most people are worried about the criminal liability.  The bigger issue may be the civil liability that it connects you to the gun.  The news is filled with people suing gun shops (saw one where the shop did not even sell the gun in question) and going after anyone connected with money.   A grieving family that finds that piece of paper may not care it was all done on 'the up and up', and the bar for a ruling against you is a lot lower in civil court.

Personally I think it's more of a liability than a protection.

I know this goes against a lot of popular opinion, I am not explaining it as well as my attorney did to me.



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[DDGator]

Hey Mike,

Interesting.  You know I am a lawyer too...

Here is the thing about that, at least in Florida.  You don't have any liability for what happens to a gun as long as you sell it to a Florida resident.  You have no responsibility other than to ensure they are a Florida resident and an adult, which you can do by seeing a drivers license. 

Especially if you bought the gun new, the paper trail is only to you.  I'd rather have a paper trail to show I sold it legitimately rather than have them just have to take my word for it.

Ideally, you get the bill of sale and you don't give the buyer a copy.  Then the bill of sale is defensive only, and it will never come up unless you want it to. 

To be completely honest with you, I much prefer to avoid the whole issue and only sell to dealers, or through dealers.  Yes, I take a hit on "profitability," but then I have no legal, ethical, or moral responsibility for whoever takes possession of the gun next.   That's just me -- and I'm not saying anyone else has to do that.

-Duane

[MikeInTexas]

Thanks Duane.

You have given me a lot to think about.  From my personal experience, there has always been two copies of any documented transaction.  I might could deal with it if the other party did not have any of the information.  From how you explained it, no need for a BOS in Florida.  I don't think Texas is much different.