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Offline JohnnyE

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R9s, how many rounds through me?
« on: July 15, 2019, 08:01:35 PM »
This 2007 production, new-to-me R9s, S/N in the low 2,000's, came from the original owner's (a surgeon) estate, so I have no idea about its past life. My question is...how many rounds do you think have been shot through it?

Here are some pics I took the other day that show the wear on the frame, slide and barrel. Since I don't know about the lube the former owner used, it's a wildcard factor.

I'd like to see if I can get guestimates of how many rounds have been fired through this guy, and how much life this little pistol has left.

All your thoughts are appreciated.

« Last Edit: July 15, 2019, 08:07:02 PM by JohnnyE »

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2019, 09:07:17 PM »
That doesn't look like too much wear at all to me--I would estimate not more than several hundred rounds but not possible to guess on a number. Eric has a much better feel for wear and tear history. Given proper care, cleaning, and lubrication I would give it many years of remaining service.

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2019, 05:56:47 AM »
That doesn't look like too much wear at all to me--I would estimate not more than several hundred rounds but not possible to guess on a number. Eric has a much better feel for wear and tear history. Given proper care, cleaning, and lubrication I would give it many years of remaining service.
Thanks, Tracker. I am happy you think it doesn't have too high of a round count. Since this is my first Rohrbaugh, I have no history to draw upon when it comes to assessing wear and tear.

I hope Eric chimes in and shares his immense knowledge. Of course, I'm still going to take good care of it no matter what! Here's another pic that shows wear marks on the inside of the slide.


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« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2019, 11:27:11 AM »
That superficial wear will occur after one trip to the range. Given the history I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Have you fired it yet?

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« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2019, 12:08:04 PM »
Suggest thoroughly clean, lubricate (looks already done) and change recoil spring.  Remember that the grip screws will often loosen after only 20 rounds or so and loose screws on the right (ejection) side will invariably result in trigger issues.  NEVER over tighten the grip screws...once they are stripped it is nearly impossible to remove them.  It appears to me as if you have a very nice R9.  If that slide is really black, it would either be a Stealth model or a Covert.  Good luck!
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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2019, 02:32:21 PM »
For dealing with grip screws I highly recommend a premium screwdriver like Hudy, depending on your screw type. It will simplify dealing with those pesky screws.

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2019, 02:50:51 PM »
That superficial wear will occur after one trip to the range. Given the history I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Have you fired it yet?

Thanks for the good word. I have fired it already.

Suggest thoroughly clean, lubricate (looks already done) and change recoil spring.  Remember that the grip screws will often loosen after only 20 rounds or so and loose screws on the right (ejection) side will invariably result in trigger issues.  NEVER over tighten the grip screws...once they are stripped it is nearly impossible to remove them.  It appears to me as if you have a very nice R9.  If that slide is really black, it would either be a Stealth model or a Covert.  Good luck!

I nearly learned the hard way about losing grip screws. The range I use has gravel and wood chips on the ground, so a lost screw is really LOST. What are the choices regarding replacements?

Before I fired it, I cleaned, inspected and lubed it. I also ordered a bag of five Wolff outer recoil springs, and have already put about 80 rounds on a new spring.

All ammo I've fed it are 115 grain hollow points.

The gun reliably feeds all the ammos I've run through it except the Speer Gold Dot. The nose of the bullet often catches on the bottom of the feed ramp, as you can see in picture. I've heard so many good things about the Gold Dot's that I'd like to do what I can to get the gun to run them reliably. Two mags came with the gun when I bought it, and I bought two new mags from Checkmate. The Gold Dots give me this problem with all four mags.

The gun experienced misfires with:

Hornady XTP
Black Hills EXP
Remington HTP (especially high misfire rate)

Following this experience, I detail stripped the gun, lubed the hammer and other FCG components with Mobil 1 ATF, and the misfire rate went down, but I'm still not confident about using these ammos. Even after the clean and lube, the Remington HTP's still have a high misfire rate. I guess the primers are particularly hard.

As of now, the gun feeds and fires Winchester Silvertips, Sig Sauer V-Crown JHP, and Hornady Critical Defense. For now, I am loading it with Critical Defense.

I really love this little gun. It's an R9s...stealth version.

Let me know where to get some spare grip screws, and maybe I need a more stout hammer spring to deal with the misfire issue.

Thanks again for your guidance. I'll chime in as I learn more.

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2019, 03:08:59 PM »
Interesting, I had hard primer issues with Hornady Critical Defense because they were outsourcing primers and they were coming in hard and would misfire in the R9. However, things may have changed so stay with what works. I wouldn't use any ammo made by Remington.

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2019, 12:12:50 AM »

...................... so a lost screw is really LOST. What are the choices regarding replacements?


Best way (and maybe the only way) is to call Williams Gun Sights.  1-800-530-9028

Ask for Alex the Rohrbaugh guy. There is another Alex that does not deal with Rohrbaughs.

They sell the grip screws for $5 a set, plus $15 for shipping.  They had both stainless and blued available last year when I ordered my replacements.

Good news is if you buy more stuff, you only get stuck with one shipping charge.

That shipping charge encouraged me to order more than one set for my pack of pups.


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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2019, 08:57:09 PM »
Hello Johnny and welcome aboard the forum. It looks like a "clean unit" you have there, and that's a good thing! I question the surface of the grip panels on the gun. I have never seen them wear like that. Never! If you can, please remove the slide and take the barrel out. Take photographs of the top of the barrel (lockup area) and the lug underneath. I'd also like a closeup photo of the inside of the slide. This will give me a decent idea as to an approximate round count for you. Reference the ammo issue, as noted all over the internet, the R9 can be finicky with ammunition. Each firearm was hand built, so there are no two pistols 100% alike pertaining to tolerances within the build of the firearm. There are the usual tolerance of roughly plus or minus .005", industry standards for machining. However, there are areas in our pistol that were +.002", minus nothing (.000"). If the Silvertips worked well in your particular R9, use those. That is as good a round as many others out there. Don't think it too much, if the little lady likes that food, feed it to her and enjoy the evening. lol.

So, with all of that said, please do those photos and post them here. I have been busy recently, but I do eventually check in here to make sure everyone is ok. I do the best I can and, sometimes, I may even miss a thread, but if I don't respond, you may even PM me here for better response. And that depends when I check in. If you can bear with that, we'll be good to go Sir!

Again, welcome aboard and we look forward to your participation here with some good and well educated folks, especially on the topic of The Rohrbaugh R9 9mm Pistol.

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Eric C. Rohrbaugh
Makers of the NRA Shooting Illustrated: "Handgun of the Year for 2005" and receiver of an NRA Golden Bullseye Award.

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2019, 06:04:07 PM »
Hello Johnny and welcome aboard the forum. It looks like a "clean unit" you have there, and that's a good thing! I question the surface of the grip panels on the gun. I have never seen them wear like that. Never! If you can, please remove the slide and take the barrel out. Take photographs of the top of the barrel (lockup area) and the lug underneath. I'd also like a closeup photo of the inside of the slide. This will give me a decent idea as to an approximate round count for you. Reference the ammo issue, as noted all over the internet, the R9 can be finicky with ammunition. Each firearm was hand built, so there are no two pistols 100% alike pertaining to tolerances within the build of the firearm. There are the usual tolerance of roughly plus or minus .005", industry standards for machining. However, there are areas in our pistol that were +.002", minus nothing (.000"). If the Silvertips worked well in your particular R9, use those. That is as good a round as many others out there. Don't think it too much, if the little lady likes that food, feed it to her and enjoy the evening. lol.

So, with all of that said, please do those photos and post them here. I have been busy recently, but I do eventually check in here to make sure everyone is ok. I do the best I can and, sometimes, I may even miss a thread, but if I don't respond, you may even PM me here for better response. And that depends when I check in. If you can bear with that, we'll be good to go Sir!

Again, welcome aboard and we look forward to your participation here with some good and well educated folks, especially on the topic of The Rohrbaugh R9 9mm Pistol.

Regards,

Eric C. Rohrbaugh

Eric,

It's great to be here, and thank you for your keen observations and interest...and for having produced such fine arms.

I took the pics you suggest, as well as my uniquely worn grips. I cleaned them with alcohol to make sure I captured only the grips and not oil, etc.

I hope the pics are good enough to draw meaningful conclusions. Let me know if you would like something different, such as lighting, perspective/angle to the parts, framing, and what not. Unfortunately I don't have a macro lens.

Have at it when you get the chance.

Thanks again,

JohnnyE
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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2019, 11:18:42 PM »
On my iPad, I can't see what the grip wear issue is.

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2019, 11:28:49 PM »
I can't either now but it appeared so on the previous photos; grip wear like that is so unusual that it may have been a lighting issue and a misperception.

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2019, 08:44:28 AM »
I went back and looked at the grip photos in my IP. I realized that when I took those pics, I was only interested in getting good images of the rails, and didn't think about cleaning the grips or how they would look. The photo of the right grip appears to show pitting, but it's not, it's just droplets of oil. I cleaned the grips before taking the second round of pics, and they look smooth. I am happy with the grips. There are no pits, cracks, blemishes or flaws of any kind.

Regarding the Gold Dot feed ramp issue, everything else feeds reliably, but the Gold Dots are a feeding disaster. That has me curious more than anything else. How can that be? One thing comes to mind. While I haven't gotten out the calipers yet, I found that the Gold Dots have a longer overall length than anything else I've fed this pistol. Perhaps having slightly less clearance has something to do with it.


I really want to do the best for the care and feeding of this gun. I want to understand it and treat it right.

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Re: R9s, how many rounds through me?
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2019, 11:23:52 AM »
Another round that I particularly like in the R9 is Federal HST 124 gr.